joshua davis bashing by CR
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- Horp0
Thinking on from Neue's post, which opposes my personal view and yet resonated with me, I wonder if we've spent so long arguing about and trying to differentiate between 'web' design and 'traditional' design, and at the same time dabbled in the digitally led merging of 'decoration graphics' with 'information graphics', that we've overlooked a better way to separate two distinct specialisms.
Perhaps its time design and illustration parted ways again, completely, as was always the case before, and this current middle-ground cross-discipline all-rounder hybrid territory should be abandoned.
If design is allowed to be focussed on effective communication, regardless of the platform, it should be free of the frippery to become a clear and distinctive discipline that requires something software can never provide... a natural eye for order, logic, heirarchy and understated/restrained visual effectiveness, and it can call on the services of relevant image makers to add to the communication in more appropriate ways.
The 'illustrator' (for want of a better phrase) would then also be free to practice its craft and to get back to the disciplines that software cannot provide... a natural eye for balance, composition, drama, and an ability to underpin everything with a natural, instinctive ability to translate the mind's eye into a visual. It will not be stretched beyond credibility trying to turn itself into the framework, and will be tempered by the eye of a good designer who decides how and when it is used.
Its this image as design, design as image thing that's all wrong.
- which would mean 'Joshua Davis' would be framed within a design-led context, rather than being the context itself.Horp
- dMullins0
"Don't these people know I was lord of 08 ? huh what's 08 ? jesus."
- Joshua Davis, QBN, May 2009
- neue75_bold0
What I want to make clear there is that I was just referring to commercial design, there's a world of difference between commercial, and/or personal/academic pursuits..
I'm overall a bit sick with the way agencies and individuals waste other peoples money to fulfill their own desires. I reckon many of these misguided individuals do think they're doing the right thing and fuck, if they don't someone else will.. I was having a chat with a friend a while back and she's telling me about this grand online/experiential project she's been working on, a massive physical setup with all these gizmos that can all be manipulated and controlled via some online interface.. I was mesmerized by the grandeur and the really creative thinking that went into the whole thing, but by the end of her description I was like, "sorry, what was this actually for again?" I don't mean to slag her off at all as I think it was somewhat relevant for the client and project, but it did seem a bit more about them and possibly the chance of winning an award from it..
I'm also not really saying commercial graphic is solely about communication, and even then, style alone is some sort of communication right? Using generative art by Josh davis on the cover of your magazine is communicating something loud and clear — "if you think this is cool, wait until you see what's inside"
I have no problems with what Josh is/was and will do, but for me, it is actually art.. I like the fact that it involves new techniques and he's looking for new ways to create self-indulgent work [sold for a price] good on ya, nothing wrong with being enterprising..
It's a very blurry line for me personally, but these types of projects, and ones by the likes of yugop, et al are all kinda cool for for the sake of doing something that hasn't been done. But at the end of the day it's like, so what? What has this done for us? Are we as people better for it, have our lives been enriched?
Where I do see beneficial non-commercial graphic design is much more on the infographical side of things, where designers and creatives are looking at things like systems, networks and patterns, ultimately these types of projects will help us better understand each other and how the world around us actually works [or doesn't]
fuck me, I'm not sure any of that made a lick of sense, but whatever, I've got some terribly boring, marketeer-led campaign to work on...
- < exercise in futilityneue75_bold
- I totally agree with you!!Mau
- MrDinky0
The end.
I liked JD's work when it was for web site / screensaver stuff. As "art", no so much.
- not so muchMrDinky
- How can you really say that? Are you much familiar with his work? Guess not....dMullins
- Umm yes. I am. Personal taste. His work has its place but not with in my heart.MrDinky
- Are you going to ask me for my portfolio?MrDinky
- Do you know much about JD?dMullins
- Is this a trick question?
Kioken.MrDinky - K, well Im just wondering how you can fathom that his process / results are not "art".dMullins
- How is it art?MrDinky
- Self-expression. JD creates successful client communicate to their clients through powerful self-expression.dMullins
- calculator0
Hemingway said "critics are those who come down afer a battle and kill the survivors"; best thing I've read in this whole non-event.
- tis true...glad you enjoywoodyBatts
- Haha, same here. I FACEBOOK'D IT.dMullins
- thats brilliantidentity
- __TM0
- OSFA0
Stop the hatin ya'll! Josh, you don't have to explain yourself, but it's good that you're here, facing the music. *tips hat.
You're cool with most of us here. In fact, you should be receiving an invitation by email to join QBNpro ;)
You can thank me by doing a piece for my birthday (today). no pressure.
- digdre0
- fuck
vdigdre - lol, what an odd mistake.harlequino
- grabup is kinda slow, if you swithc tabs while grabbing, it will get confuseddigdre
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- Rand0
link?
- PrayStation0
jevad... I'm burning the village... oh wait... wrong website.
- Rand0
I'll leave the moral and esthetic judgements to others and just say that autonomously generated, resellable designer fetish items are the way to go if you want to make money
- Its the money that really gets all your goats, isn't it.Horp
- let me know if I should keep writing..neue75_bold
- Pity for the the fools who have the cash to spare on frippery, kudos to the man who sells it.Horp
- I've been looking for something like this for yearsRand
- LOL Buy two, one for the sitting room one for the study.Horp
- tom ford approvesjanne76
- airey0
my cat's breath smells like catfood.
- jevad0
It hurts when I pee.
- well wash your vag out once in a while!iCanHazQBN
- oh SNAPjevad
- babaganush0
Creative Review editorial meeting?
- francoisfido0
*yawn
- albeit good effort, lasses.francoisfido
- Francois you should write for the Creative Review.Horp
- pisstake?francoisfido
- so elaborate. i really got some insight now. thx.janne76
- Yes, it was a pisstake.Horp
- thanks for the meaningful contributionJosev
- pascii0
separate the man from the work. and realize, that some things are average and some outstanding. stop having idols. stop growing egos. be inspired by your surrounding world