joshua davis bashing by CR
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- formed0
I was a fan of sorts back in the day (never a 'fan' of his design, but certainly respect for the boundaries he pushed in the beginning).
I agree, web design has become stagnant with the demise of Flash. I miss the days of looking at beautiful work that pushed technology and design, only for the sake of creating something engaging and captivating.
- dyspl0
^^not valid to me.
what about pollock's dripping then? kandinsky abstracts? mondrian?
yves klein works? leger?- mondrian is totally out of place in your post.digdre
- Yeah but all of them evolved and changed their style throughout their lives not kept doing the same finkKhurram
- but then they are artists and not designers. Like Josh who must flog the same horse cos thats what they wantKhurram
- Andy Warhol, there's one who got stuck on repeat doing the same crap, he shoulda given up long time agoKhurram
- but then he rode the edge between graphic design and art, and was astutely commercial, he was almost taking the pissKhurram
- taking the piss. Josh should take the piss instead of get all uppity talking about his love for the game.Khurram
- IMO of course.Khurram
- clearly.janne76
- your opinion.janne76
- mondrian - about the "everyo,e could do it", so it's not out of place.dyspl
- fadein110
his generative stuff is a little weak sometimes and does look like screensavers - has a low-art air about it really. He was a great innovator in his day but looks a little tired now. And lets face it he is the epitomy of the US 'raaaad man' web designer stereotype - "where's the web designers? Snowboarding man". He helped to create this stereotype. There are many different types of designers and the 'raaaaaad man' loud US type never really floats my boat.
I do like hsi early stuff and hugley influential and I bet he's a nice enough chap - just his greatest work may have already been done.
- Poochie0
Did Joshua Davis compare himself to Picasso in his reply? Twice?
Still one of my flash heroes though.
- yeah that guy knows his code. I give him that :Pmodernstyle
- Picasso?Anders
- ya, picasso is a wanker tooMilan
- *wasMilan
- mathinc0
Hmmm. While I think the booking of JD at a type conference is a tad odd. Daniel West did a good job of taking this to a really personal level - so is this outcome surprising knowing what kind of person Joshua Davis is? I've met and drank with Davis before and the guy is energy-filled and crass, which personally, I appreciated. This field has introduced me to way too many annoyingly reserved, ill passionate and pseudo intellectuals. I doubt any of them would tell a story about their axe wielding neighbor with the sort of glee and excitement of Davis. That's him. Love him or hate him, I guess West hates him.
As far as his work, personally, the guy made me a believer in flash and actionscripting. His art is of course subjective, just the same as it is for every artist working in any medium. But to say that his work is more suited to desktops and screensavers is going a little bit too far, or actually, it's not going deep enough imo. It would be like someone going to a high fashion runway show and then reporting that 'I wouldn't wear any of that, it's rubbish.' Of course! But when you look at the commercial stuff that Davis does, it's fitting and applicable. West seems to be lacking creatively to mentally make the leap between art and design, how ideas are formulated in the art that can then be translated and interpreted in design.
Personally I really like Josh Davis and while I appreciate his energy and crassness, I can understand how the eggheads would pick him out of the crowd for public castration. But they're design eggheads, and they're not the type to ever stray far enough from the flock to ever do anything meaningful.
- kelpie0
no offence to anyone but ffs, since when did journalistic opinion pieces ever have to be objective and reflective of the general consensus?
well done JD for standing up for yourself, but christs sake, I'd run a mile from back up like you were getting in that thread ;)
- thebottlerocket0
Thought this last comment was interesting:
"It is no wonder people think designers are wankers, if anyone outside the 'industry' saw this exercise in futility, this attempt at 'debate' then they'd be justified in thinking its all a lot of hot air and not actually much doing."
- mathinc0
Oh and seriously, fuck this whole 'Worst kind of American'... I'm getting a little tired of this bullshit. It makes me want to get a fucking t-shirt with a wolf and an American flag on it.
- Get some sandwiches while you're out. Big ones with extra sandwich.Horp
- I know, they're all actually pretty bad eh?neue75_bold
- are you even american?Rand
- Shari?neue75_bold
- I am American, and my name is not Shari. But I like wolves, beer and grilled cheese sandwiches.mathinc
- Khurram0
To echo snuggles,
Josh (may i call you Josh?), i think ultimately you should be FLATTERED that people hold you up to a higher standard than most in your field.
And that's part of what it is. There's lots of competent "talented" people in this world, doing their day jobs and imitating their heroes and doing competent work and getting patted on the back cos they did "good for them"
But there are only a select few who are "elite" in anythign they do. And they are held to a different standard/criteria, and people demand different things from them.
- robotron3k0
Joshua Davis is like the Chuck Norris of design, except with way softer hands...
- ha ha ha - great.PrayStation
- it's true, ya gotta protect yer hands. it's your bread and butter...robotron3k
- His hands are bread and butter? Poor bastard. I must send gloves immediately.Horp
- PrayStation0
tommy... October... LA... Adobe MAX... I'd like to show you more of my CRASS. hit me up on e-mail.
- kult0
Regarding wanker.. Bob's you're uncle.
- Autokern0
var Autokern:Cunt = myself as Cunt;
- animatedgif0
Fuck sake QBN, read the entire first page before noticing the date.
You had me excited that Joshua Davis had actually done something interesting for the first time in 6 years
- benfal990
i just can't read that typo on CR website... what the hell
- cannonball19780
Hey speaking for myself this one time I went to NYC and went to this art thing and JD was there signing hard drives and then he said something and I was like wow I love your tattoos i cant believe you play by your own rules
Then I was on a forum and JD posted something 3 posts down from my post and I was like wow you know, he's a really down to earth person for using the same internet I use.
Then he made this websiet and did an interview about the websiet and said something and I was so excited I totally sprayed my pants. Front AND back.
i was gonna keep going with this but eh
- ah haaa ha hacalculator
- i lol'didentity
- jesus...
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- GeorgesII0
An old wise man once said,
If you can't pray in the bus, Pray at the station.sorry, had to :)