QBN Debate #103
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- Horp0
It would be easy to become convinced that our associations and relationships with the exterior world are somehow virtual, that the information we digest is now no more than a poor facsimile of some primeval memory we have of our savage ancestry way back along the evolutionary timeline. But we return to that primeval state at various points in our modern lives, and at those moments would the veil not fall from our eyes, and reveal to us the raw truth of a greater reality that we otherwise tune out?
I am of course talking about the point of sexual orgasm. Or having a difficult and painful poo.
- I was wondering when Kant's Really Difficult Shit Theory would be invokedkelpie
- d_rek0
There is reality in my pants.
- kelpie0
yeah
- Cactus0
warmed over Baudrillard...
- monospaced0
Modern society has created symbols and signs to represent aspects of reality, but in no way has replaced that reality, nor created a symbol or sign for every aspect. Simply put, there are aspects of reality that are far too abstract to put into words, let alone create a replacement for with something as simple as a symbol or sign.
Therefore, the human experience remains reality, although many choose not to believe so and instead dilute their existence through simulations such as religion or even World of Warcraft.
Culture and media have created and broadcasted their perception of realites in many different areas in many different forms, yet they have limited range and there is more than one epicenter.
If you feel you have lost contact with the real world on which the simulacra were once based, then open your fuckin' eyes.
- ukit0
On the other hand, what does it say that we are all so eager to live the exterior world behind? Maybe because it sucks.
- Horp0
HOW DARE YOU!
- Horp0
I'm going to rise above the H8 and get this intellectual debate back on track now. If you have nothing valid to say then may I suggest you converse in one of the lesser discussions taking place in this virtual café environment.
Okay, sorry for losing my temper. I wonder what people think about this image within the realms of this discussion.
- SteveJobs0
"Therefore, the human experience remains reality, although many choose not to believe so and instead dilute their existence through simulations such as religion or even World of Warcraft."
but remember not to discount how many self-aware people do these things knowing full-well how it fits in the big picture.
- True, my mate Turnip for example. He plays WoW and he's the most switched on person I know.Horp
- sikma0
"Realizing the brain ticks at six billion signals per second
And most of hidden and not given to the senses
Whether to do a few futile primitive tools to perception
livin in a universal pool of first hand deceptionThe mind's job is to receive the signals
And block the ones out that coincide with imprinted symbols
That way the information you obtained is recognized
Reality is thinkable and comparable to space and timeIt makes a map of the territory that gives us the gives us
The topic of the Copenhagen interpretation of modern quantum
Physics which states we dont know the meal
We only know the menu that our brains tell us is realWe dont know the rules of our heads
From inside these cubicles we cant see the truth
No one really knows exactly what happens when we think
Therefore we can never really ever know anything"-eyedea & abilities
sorry to copy and paste
- Horp0
Okay let me please clarify the crop circle image as I now realise my reasons for posting it could be misconstrued. Its not the subject matter that interests me, its this: Assuming that image is man made (which any right minded people will know it is) how is it possible for a human, or collection of humans, the create an accurate image that is firstly vastly more expansive than his field of vision and secondly is created on a plain that is not legible to the creator of the image. Indeed, we have to float about it at thousands of feet to see it.
The Mayans created giant epictions of monkeys on mountain plains that are over 12 miles in diameter and and are created out of lines of rocks gathered together by hand. As a point of interest these have survived thanks to relatively static envoronmental conditions, but my point here is... if the world we experience is entirely within our own heads and therefore projected outwards as a personal perception of 'the external', how have we been able to master the external to such a degree that we can operate within it beyond the bounds of the senses that define it?
Really, think about that for a minute.
- vaxorcist0
if I look back on all the crap I learned in high school, it's a wonder I can even think at all
- scarabin_net0
sorry dude, that makes no sense. you're assuming that reality only exists in our heads (when actually, all that's in our heads is our perception of it, not reality itself, mistake no. 1), and then asking how we're able to make things that are difficult to see (though we clearly can, all we need to do is look at it from a height or distance, mistake no. 2)
your questions aren't even solid, how can you expect solid answers to them
your musings are coming off as myopic and misled instead of the incredibly-deep-philosopher effect you're shooting for
- scarabin_net0
"I'm going to rise above the H8 and get this intellectual debate back on track now. If you have nothing valid to say then may I suggest you converse in one of the lesser discussions taking place in this virtual café environment."
seriously, this statement alone is chock full of ignorant wankery. you have GOT to be taking the piss with this thread
- horp a troller.gung_hoek
- easy scrabs, there's nothing wrong with this threadsikma
- no, just its contentscarabin_net
- Rand0
horp, you've got the weight of the entire history of QBN on your back and you're doing yeoman's work. keep it up
- Corvo20
I wrote a speech, then I deleted it.
- bliznutty0
reality is a huge fraud - an assumption if you will
- TheBlueOne0
Pursue those things which will result in potential injury or death with some regularity and you'll tend to not worry about wondering about what's real and what's simulation. Hemingway suggested bullfighting, moutaineering or motor racing for such purposes, but there are others.