QBN Debate #103
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- Horp
Modern society has replaced all reality and meaning with symbols and signs. The human experience is of a simulation of reality rather than reality itself. Culture and media create a perception of reality and we have lost contact with the real world on which the simulacra were once based.
If you have any feelings about that, why not post them here in this forum thread...
- sikma0
I would express my feelings on this subject I can't find an appropriate lol cat.
- NEWSFLASH0
Life is like a fairground ride.. quote unquote some dude.
- kelpie0
I'm in agreement to a certain extent, but only in some abstract sense. but then after a point I don't believe in reality anyway as everything we interact with is subject to context, all of which is self applied anyway
- ukit0
- Rand0
agreed. but even "physical" reality may be a projection of metaphysical conditions
- NEWSFLASH0
First you are born, then you learn you are Horp, and you have all these limatations and and pre-conceived false ideas forced upon you. To know nothing is to know everything. Forget everything you know!
- pylon0
Meaning is symbols and signs.
We ascribe symbols and signs to physical things in order to better understand or describe them.
- MrOneHundred0
This is what the Church were doing before the Age of Enlightenment. All just fashion – it’s cyclical.
- kelpie0
this had got me really thinking. I'm not sure if I'm tethered any more after this. Where is zero, where? don't we all need a baseline of some sort? why are you bringing this up now? isn't this all hard enough as it is? I'm looking around at an environment I'm only barely understanding and now its like I'm looking round everything rather at it. You've made me feel very existential
- Horp0
Reality is the world outside us. Yet we experience that world within us. The images we see, we see at the very core of our minds, the sounds we hear, we hear in the centre of our brains, the olfactory data we process, we experience up our noses, which are on our heads, right smank plum in the middle of our branes.
So is the world outside outside of who we are, or is it merely a world of what we experience only within the inside of our head and stuff like that. Or
what.
- I think you´re about 20 years too old to ponder about this particular point.gung_hoek
- gung_hoek0
bollocks? because this has been going on forever. today it´s just new labels, new packaging for the same old stuff. instead of the old gods we worship our egos. the underlying motivations are the same.
the only thing that´s radically new is, IMO, that people abandon living together in tribes/packs, going for small teams of 2,3,4 instead, if not totally alone. we used to live in larger groups for the whole history of homo sapiens, even before that. So now for example there´s substantially less exchange between the generations, not so good. Leads to total "self"-perspective, not the communities there used to be.
- ukit0
Reality used to be a friend on mine
- morilla0
"Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening, terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities — the political, the religious, the educational authorities — who attempted to comfort us by giving us order, rules, regulations, informing — forming in our minds — their view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable open-mindedness, chaotic, confused vulnerability to inform yourself.
Think for yourself, question authority."
- kelpie0
in a world rendered blind, the passage of time is measured only by the tide whispering goodnight to the unfeeling caress of the shore
- sikma0
I have to disagree with you gung-hoek.
This only in the age of mechanical reproduction has power of symbols become so great. Before 1839 what we saw could only be expressed in a subjective manner. The objective power of the camera has solidified our ability to replace words with images.
- scarabin_net0
this is like high school all over again
- scarabin_net0
read some robert anton wilson, then come back and talk about this
- morilla0
or art school