the good/ bad old days
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- ukit
Someone raised an interesting question in the Typography thread, would you been doing design/ typography before the days of computers? Would you have had the patience to do it all by hand?
- iCanHazQBN0
we all know you do everything by hand...
- Oh, I get it, your sense of humor is amazing!ukit
- and your attempt at sarcasm is boring.iCanHazQBN
- im sorry i got your thread off to a bumpy start. please don't leave me.iCanHazQBN
- I realized I can't waste my time talking to you. I'm not really an angry person by nature.ukit
- monospaced0
I really loved drawing type—still do (logotypes, experiments)—and practicing calligraphy in school, and I think that I could have been a designer without a computer, no problem.
- powertoni0
yeah...im among the camp that believes the "digital revolution" has cheapened all of our arts. (except for itself. ie programming)
I really miss the old days of photography where you had to go into the dark and perform alchemy to produce your images. Or music where you had to scrimp and save for a 4track....
of course that means more of everything, but it all means just a little less....
- ********0
I think so, I used to do all of my lettering and logos on my comic books and shit, so yeah... I would say yes.
- fate_0
You're all confused. Design used to really suck before Desktop Publishing.
- ********0
I started designing with the advent of computers being used for that purpose. Previous to that I don't believe I would have been one.
- fate_0
Inevitably someone will shout "PAUL RAND", but that's missing the forest of shitty design for one talented tree firmly planted in your retrospection.
Design was just atrocious up until the 90's.
- you're trolling, right?********
- Not at all.fate_
- normally I agree with you, but that's a ridiculous statement********
- I mean, there's always been a huge percentage of bad design, granted...********
- hasn't your education given you any background?********
- he doesn't have the education to back it up. he's still a senior at IU.amongthemasses
- you're trolling, right?
- ukit0
I don't believe that it was atrocious at all. Just look at some of the hand drawn type on early 20th century posters. But I wonder if it almost required a different level of patience and dedication.
- fate_0
magnificent_ruin: Post some examples that aren't Paul Rand, Saul Bass, or Rodchenko.
Art Deco doesn't count either, since we all know what Deco is short for.
- of course, if you eliminate all the many good designers, there won't be any left********
- of course, if you eliminate all the many good designers, there won't be any left
- fate_0
We've tried to legitimize 100 years of graphic design through the (previous) UPS logo.
Design looked like this for a long time until anyone could try their hand at design.
- these examples skew more towards advertising than pure design and typography though.johndiggity
- plus, these aren't examples of good design--you can do that for any period, ya knucklehead!********
- ukit0
fate - you serious? What kind of design do you consider good anyway?
- johndiggity0
there's so much more atrocious work out there post-digital revolution.
- fate_0
Like what uan? Letters? Grids? Whoopdee fuckin doo, those things are a given. They weren't "invented" so much as they were discovered or refined.
- graduate college first evan with a degree in design and then you will be relevant. And not from IU either.amongthemasses
- broaden your horizon fate_, you will discover the answers by yourself.uan
- I'm so glad I didn't go to school for design.fate_
- ukit0
You are both wrong. Obviously the development of modernist design style was essential.
But the digital world has had its share of design (UI) ideas. I mean, how are we communicating right now?
- johndiggity0
the proliferation of computer aided design has certainly compromised a lot of basic fundamentals of layout and typography. a good example would be to compare a free weekly newsletter from today with a bunch of ads form computer mom designers vs. something done in the 30's or 40's where pressmen who knew the limitations of type were doing most of the design and layout.
- amateur vs. professional?
better example is pressman vs. print designer of today.monNom
- amateur vs. professional?
- ukit0
See we designers tend to see the quality of the design itself as the most important thing but ultimately since the beginning design has been about spreading information to the most people, at the best quality, the most efficiently. So there is always a trade off between those aspects.
- ********0
lets kill fate_, hang the noob
- I've been here for years and I'll remain here for years.fate_
- yayhooray wants you back. you've become boring.amongthemasses
- and magically, he will remain 19********
- brains0
You know, I've thought about this, and I would love to start a collective of people that took jobs and did things the old way. It would take so much longer, but the connection with the work would (at least I think) be a lot stronger.
- brains0
Also, as my professor once said: "The best thing to happen to design, is the fact that it's possible for anyone can do it at home. The worst thing to happen to design is the fact that it's possible for anyone to do it at home."