Jesus the Jew
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- 23kon
Did anyone else see this last night on Channel 4 (uk)?
http://www.channel4.com/programm…
I caught the second half of it, but i'll be watching the whole thing again tonight on the catchup player.
http://www.channel4.com/video/br…
I bet it annoyed some people bigtime!
- kalkal0
Ah, so everyone that's chrisitan is really jewish
- *christiankalkal
- Terry Christian?uncle_helv
- I'm chrisitan really...ItalianStallion
- WeLoveNoise0
thought that was obvious kelkal
- kalkal ratherWeLoveNoise
- not a problem, welovethenosekalkal
- lol cheeky gitWeLoveNoise
- 23kon0
Well, the guy was saying that he respected jesus for the years when he was a dedicated jew and taught/spread the word.
He then suggested that jesus in his later years got judas to betray him so that he would be killed and thus become a hero/martyr. like it was all planned, then the disciples/apostles then go on and spread the word - creating a new religion, bending truths and turning the world against jews by portraying them as the "traitors" in the writings of the bible. Leading to the Jew Ghetto in Rome where jews were made to stay and persectuted for being jewish.
This was the part of christianity that the nazis picked up on and ran with. Although the guy did stress he wasnt comparing christianity and the nazis.Im not a religious person, the things that bugd me personally about christianity is the fact that the bible was written over many years by many people. There is no way that man could write such a thing without distortions, lies along the way and exadurated truths.
So to me this program helped confirm that - and made me think that if i ever wanted to confide or believe in a religion then it would definitely be Judaism over Christianity.Hope this is part of a series, looking forward to catching the whole thing again tonight.
- Raniator0
You can't turn water into wine, it just doesn't work like that.
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- GeorgesII0
whhaaaaatttt Jesus was a jew???
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- 23kon0
hehe.
the guy said that Jews, not being big drinkers,have a joke that if Jesus WAS a better Jew he would have turned the water to wine then BACK to water.
- indian_pole0
looks interesting, can u watch 4-player on macs yet?
- negatoryBaskerviIle
- Is there anything you CAN do on a mac that you can't do on the other types of machine ?mikotondria3
- yes, rule the universe.indian_pole
- you can dance in silhouette23kon
- laurus0
Sound really interesting. Is there a way it can be viewed in the US?
- gramme0
Does this guy have anything to go on besides conjecture and personal predilection?
23kon, I'm not sure why you believe Christianity to be on shakier ground than Judaism, based on your argument against it. The Old Testament had more authors, and was written over a much wider expanse of time, than the New Testament. Now, I of course believe the argument about multiple authors over many hundreds of years to be a pointless tack, because if an infinite God chose to impart his sovereign directives through human writers, who the hell cares how many people or years were involved in the process.
I actually find it more miraculous that many disparate authors—writing over the course of many years—managed to each contribute a piece to the Biblical puzzle, making it all perfectly harmonious, without inconsistencies or contradictions.
You may say then that it's all moot when something has been handed down so many times, like a massive game of telephone. The trouble is, we have Biblical documents that are in some cases an actual primary source (first edition, if you will), and some that are only one or two editions removed from the original—written close enough in time for nothing to get lost in translation as the sands of language sifted.
And if that wasn't enough, we have access to ancient Hebrew as well as both common dialects of ancient Greek. So, the Scriptures are as alive today as they have ever been, precisely because God does not change, and the fundamentals of humanity have not changed. The things that made a man a man 7,000 years ago continue to define us as a species.
- gramme0
Really the only thing that has changed is that we've had a little more time to perfect our arguments.
- gramme0
And for the record: Judaism and Christianity are one continuous piece of fabric. I know former Jews who became Christians, but still kept their traditions, none of which are contra to the teachings of Christ (besides following the cleansing and sacrificial rites of the law, which were rendered moot by the cross).
- I don't know any Jews who still practice sacrifice anyway...gramme