Dirtylipbalm
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- fate_0
Yes that is an excellent form of discourse. Let's come up with the most extreme situations (create a new original font...) and use them to justify dishonest and deceptive practices.
You'll have to pardon me if I don't feel like partaking in such nonsense, airey.
- then discuss the point underneath the crap i wrote, which is still valid.airey
- airey0
this is the point of dicussion:
aren't we graphic designers? isn't that solving communication for clients through design? so, using established styles and methods is part of our brief. the talent for the most part is the quality of the delivery and it's success in achieving client goals
the rest is crap obviously to overstate the initial point.
- 3point141590
I agree nothing really orginal here...
How old is the young lad anyway?
- 19 which gives you a free pass on unoriginality evidentlyamongthemasses
- He is 19, well okay we can give him a pass then.3point14159
- airey0
1: the flowers / flora on type is a design style that i could list here from hundreds of designers sites. you list an example next to ravi's but that's an example you discovered first. it's been around a long while and in fact can be found being used massively in the 60's in illustrated form. it'd call it a style.
2: i lectured for 2 years around 1998 and had a wall of laserprints from students who scanned their faces in the first week of their course when they discovered their brand new tools. in '94 when i did my course we had a class clown who did the same. could that be called original at any stage?
- airey you are stupid. go back to the irrelevant threads where you belong.amongthemasses
- why?airey
- because you are making no sense as usual.amongthemasses
- set0
I'm with fate on this one, its very blatant copying in my books.
- fate_0
Airey, an established method or style I'd consider "minimalism" or using Helvetica for every possible thing, or hell, even abstract 3d.
I'd consider what you're describing as genres. Not blatant repeats.
- typist0
- tank02, double standard?typist
- in a way yes, but i was critizing the rip, i was talking about the hare from certain memberstank02
- that you only see in these kind of threads...tank02
- 'i was not critizing the rip'tank02
- okie, got your pointtypist
- lets go to another thread now,
the QBN workbook orso?
;)tank02
- fate_0
I mean FFS, he's 19 and calling himself an "Art Director?"
He lists DepthCore as one of this clients. Really? DepthCore?
Bottom line, his entire portfolio is what I would consider dishonest.
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Clients: Mooks, Lee's Jeans, K·Swiss, Royal Elastics, L'Oreal, Redken, Oakley, Bowen-Paul Arico, Daniel Thawley, The KDU, UV Magazine, Hint Magazine, Computer Arts, Pigeon Combine, Lost Valentinos, Sydney Olympics Park, BP Solar, Reeves, Jasco, State of Tomorrow, Whitehouse Institute of Design, Jana Bartolo, Imagine Publishing, Depthcore LCC and Weekend Magazine.
--------------------------------...- That's not even mentioning the photos that he "retouched."fate_
- sikma0
is it really copying? all those ideas are so played out they more or less have become public domain.
lets forget about "who did it first" and pay attention to the execution.
- i agree.airey
- I'd feel cheated as a client or employer.max_prophet
- tank020
hey haters,
post something in the recent work thread,
or contribute something in other threads...
Ah wait i forgot, your all a bunch of glorified walldorf
and statlers...
- airey0
i agree with sikma.
what i find interesting is that we are not going to all agree on things that effect our profession yet at least we should be able to discuss them.
fate_ was able to do so, yet amongthemasses thinks i'm a moron for feeling that points like this need to be discussed. my apologies for wasting your obviously important time.
- set0
Sikma, what if I went through your portfolio and went to the locations of the shots and took photos from the same angle. Would it then be ok if my execution was better?
Not the best of comparisons, photography is different from graphic design, but still...
- Kiggen0
@ fate_
You know this style already has been around since the 70ies? i got a very similar one in a swiss designbook from 76...
- pepe0
everyone rips, and at his age its more like an apprentice emulating his peers in an effort to learn, but since apprenticeships dont really exist anymore within our craft in the traditional sense it comes off as a rip. His enthusiasm for design is of the highest level which is the most important thing. These emulations will sort themselves out with time and experience.
- fate_0
Airey, I think beyond simply saying "this is a rip!", a more important question is which of his works is actually his? Which ideas can he own, legitimately?
This is important to answer, for him, for us. Especially since he's calling himself an "Art Director". If you want to make the argument that any of those pieces I called out are from "styles" or "methods" that are so well established, then you also have to make the argument that none of the work I've posted actually belongs to Ravi...it's not his work, it's the "communities" or "design industry" or whoever you want to attribute them to. But not his.
It's a question of originality.
- that there is a good point.airey
- personally i think the idea of owning ideas is where the argument fails.johndiggity
- Yeah, fuck a concept. Style over substance!fate_
- fate_0
Interesting to see the double standard some of you apply.
- akrokdesign0
everyone rips, more or less. sometimes with out knowing. but if it look like a copy. its pretty much a rip.