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Kandahar mayor killed by suicide bomber with explosives in turban
Taliban suspected, though Karzai ally may have been victim of grudge over destruction of illegally built homes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/…
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Obama’s Battleground-State Blues
The president’s national poll numbers aren’t good, but they’re worse in battleground states.
http://nationaljournal.com/colum…
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Jon Stewart Turns on Obama 'Did the President Just Quit'?!?
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljou…- he's been critical of him for a while now. But i love how Stewarts a nobody when he supports Obama, but when he critisizes him, it's some sort of portend or omenlocustsloth
- supports Obama, but when he critisizes him, it's some sort of portend or omenlocustsloth
- Dunno, I thought he was a complete lefty. Seems just scrumming for jokes. His entire play is politically themed********
- 'Could you call your Congressman. I can't talk to these people.'" LOL!********
- http://www.youtube.c…74LEO
- Who told you he was a complete lefty? Glenn Beck?Josev
- utopian0
- i don't understand why you guys are stooping to their level. Elevate the conversation, FFSlocustsloth
- man, is that the best you can do, seems like you keep posting that same image.********
- 74LEO0
This is for you poopeater
- Holy shit what a joke!ben_fong_torres
- this is for benny74LEO
- ben_fong_torres0
"Shouldnt he be in a Home Depot parking lot looking for work." Says the evil alan alda republican!
Liberals, according to jimmy smits have done everything except figure out the whole worm hole thing!
- ben_fong_torres0
Liberals, have made friends with Wookies...when republicans turned there back on them!
- ben_fong_torres0
Liberals were on Miami Vice in the 80's....not those nasty republicans!
- ben_fong_torres0
WTF!
- is that lucifer?********
- princejohnny_wobble
- still looks just like him, right off a tv series********
- is that lucifer?
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- two can play at that game utopian********
- u h yeah. Any idiot can understand that she's not actually expecting him or the govt to pay for her gas or mortgagelocustsloth
- mortgagelocustsloth
- WOW!!!!ben_fong_torres
- two can play at that game utopian
- locustsloth0
How about we ALL stop playing games. How about we stop posting irrelevant pictures and shitty soundbites and speeches from fictional presidents and actually talk about issues in a way that allows for people to express opinions and present facts and also allows others to respectfully disagree with those opinions and refute those facts with other facts. And then we won't have to denigrate into this 3rd grade classroom bullshit.
- where's the fun in that, we're acting like Boner and Obummer!!! Art imitates life and all that crap********
- yeah I wouldn't mind contributing to this thread is it was actually mature and intelligenteieio
- is it was, exactly!********
- the fun is exchanging ideas without being an asslocustsloth
- and so popfuckers comments on a typoeieio
- where's the fun in that, we're acting like Boner and Obummer!!! Art imitates life and all that crap
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Obama's jobs czar Immelt moving GE's X-ray biz to China, will invest $2 billion
http://articles.boston.com/2011-…- how FUCKING appropriate!?!********
- GE is moving it. The article doesn't even mention Immelt. So what are you talking about?locustsloth
- http://en.wikipedia.…********
- I don't care if he IS a Republican, so there!!! POWWWWWW!********
- Stupid appointment on Obama's part. i imagine it was to placate Rep, but who knows. i'd take him of the council if i were Obamalocustsloth
- Though the original article said no jobs in the US would be lost from this movelocustsloth
- jobs are obviously lost and I am not totally biased, to prove a point to you guys, it's BS, this kind of crap********
- I'm fucking unemployed, so now you see why I am pissed!!!********
- I would stop blaming others for your unemployment, it obvious that what little talent you might have will be overshadowed by your inability to rationalize and work with others.fooler
- your inability to rationalize and work with others.fooler
- or maybe get of your computer and look for a jobfooler
- GE is a fascist company that is responsible for a lot of our suffering fuck GE!74LEO
- FUCK YOU fooler********
- how FUCKING appropriate!?!
- TheBlueOne0
"I'm fucking unemployed, so now you see why I am pissed!!!"
- popfoddersMaybe you should start looking for a job and not spend the day being an assclown on the internet. Or you know, maybe do some freelancing work. Start your own company, maybe add to the economy.
Please tell me you're receiving unemployment, because that'd be fucking ironically awesome, you leaching off the government teat while posting this shit online with your time.
- Poopfondler is hilarious and he could be the highest paid copy & paste artist ever!!!!Ramanisky2
- Is Gawker hiring?TheBlueOne
- We may have to coach him on how to work with others... He is a bit socially inept.Ramanisky2
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Come on guys, you are better than thislocustsloth - try to regard him as someone who's not whoever you think he was in the past and just take his arguments at face value and refute any facts presented with other factslocustsloth
- refute any facts presented with other facts. In other words, be civil. Or else it all just goes back to a pissing matchlocustsloth
- You're right .. I'm sorry .. I'll be better. :)Ramanisky2
- What arguments? He has no arguments. It's just an endless stream of agitprop shitTheBlueOne
- There's no way I can take this guy seriously.TheBlueOne
- deathboy who I vehemently disagree with i can take seriously. not this jerkoff.TheBlueOne
- Then ignore him. He's clearly not going to read one of your retorts and change his thinking...locustsloth
- He only comes here to provoke. Not really interested in discussion of points just guerilla postinglocustsloth
- If we don't react to the incendiary portions of his post, he'll have no reason to post.locustsloth
- Besides, berating and belittling him isn't going to make him stop or change his tact.locustsloth
- You're a very smart dude, TBO, far smarter than myself. i hate to see you waste any space in your brain on this guylocustsloth
- utopian0
- good job bizarro csnaps********
- not being a dick just making a point.********
- his term isn't over yet********
- good job bizarro csnaps
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I do have a question which might be dumb. Since I guess i've made my decision already on this "debt ceiling" issue. ..
Which was live more within range of intake. A little credit is not a problem. 60/40 and increasing isnt good. being sensible and balancing regular finances, not in what should be funded but can be funded. People say im an idealist and i talk about what should be and ignore reality, that im not pragmatic, but talk is talk and funds are real. When push comes to shove ideology has less sway and im more pragmatic, the philosophy is more guidelines. Nothing wrong striving to ease everyones natural burdens, but unrealistic in reality. And it still seems sound to me unless there is like a global run on credit i dont know about where everyone will be in default and who does it best comes out ahead...
Main question is anyone knows who exactly give us this 2.4 trillion in credit. Is this credit backed by real funds? Is it just opening a market for 2.4 trillion investment from treasury bonds? What exactly backs the bonds? How much capital does the FED really have? If Fed was compared to Goldman who really has the capital, and how much and how backed? Im kinda still balancing my views and started to ask myself where this currency is and what backs it instead of just saying 2.4 trillion or not. Is it liek the global market has 2.4 trillion in cash reserves? China? If this is some bet to take the money on some sort of CDO much like a minimum wage strawberry farmer buying 500K dollar house knowing if he defaults with nothing to be collected than maybe its ok. But would liek a larger military for debt collectors.
- also does a rating agency approval really matter? Since there models are fucked and helped us into this situation.********
- Seems liek theyre more an illusion of safety and good enough reason to not take responisbilty for own diligence********
- also does a rating agency approval really matter? Since there models are fucked and helped us into this situation.
- TheBlueOne0
deathboy the primary factor which never seems to get discussed or overlooked is that the US dollar is the global reserve currency, which makes it a special case. to say "live within a range" makes sense on a scale of economics to an individual or family or even a state like say Greece which has it's economy priced in another currency.
But the world trades in dollars - so therefore it behaves and works differently than a currency which is limited. When you ask " who exactly give us this 2.4 trillion in credit" it is in fact the global economy which does since everything is priced in US dollars for trading purposes. This gives the US dollar incredible freedom and power, but also applies soe limitations as well - in terms of forcing the US to do some fiscally strange things to maintain it's position. It's a bit of a Red Queen game. And printing more money with less inflationary pressure is something a global reserve currency holder can do.
One component of US dominance and it's ability to fund wars, etc. comes from the very special case/role that it's currency performs currently. I find it utterly amusing that the party in the US that a) believes that the US has a unique role in world history and b) loves to start expensive foreign wars is doing it's best to utterly ensure that the US global influence will decline dramatically because of it's attempt to crash the system.
It's a matter of scale. My favorite example is that the physic of flying in one sense are the same, but the engineering neccessities are different depending on circumstances. i.e. a biplane and a supersonic plane use the same things - lift, thrust, etc. but you cannot apply one design to the type of flight that the other does or it will crash - thus asking a family to spend beyond it's means (at supersonic) for too long and it will obviously crash. Ask a economy based around the global reserve currency to behave like a biplane and it will crash.
It is a special historical case, and one that will not last forever - countries with global reserve currencies can have hard or soft landings - re: how their home economies are effected after losing that status. The British Pound was the most recent reserve currency and they actually managed that situation comparitely well. But the Brits slowly dismantled their empire over a few decades and it was a process they were cognizant of.
These asshats in the US are pushing their foot on the accelerator pedal thinking the upsides will last forever, which they won't. (The US$ won't maintain it's reserve currency status forever - but there's a difference in losing it over the next 20-40 years versus in the next 5) But if this goes to Aug 2 without a deal the US will be in for a the start of huge hard landing which will utterly befuddle the average american as the global pricing in dollars starts to accelerate towards collapse and alternatives sought.
It's NOT like a minimum wage farmer in China buying a 500k house. It's as if the minimum wage farmer's strawberries were what everyone traded in in China (everything priced in strawberries e.g.) and thus the price of the strawberries were controlled in a sense by him.
Sorry if that muddles things more than it makes clear. There are many critics of this fiat currency system and call for a "return to gold". These same people seem to overlook the equally horrible economic/social problems using a finite source of currency as if wars, depressions, etc. didn't occur on gold based economies, albeit with different mechanisms.
- You could always look at wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.…TheBlueOne - but you shouldn't by any means stop thereTheBlueOne
- yea still a bit confusing, definitely have to do some reading on it, but gives me a direction were to go.********
- yeah, took me a long time to wrap my head around it myself...TheBlueOne
- To really blow your mind look what Brazil did: http://www.npr.org/b…TheBlueOne
- thx i'll check it out also when i get a chance.********
- You could always look at wikipedia:
- 74LEO0
Terrorist aimed to mobilize racism
Multinational working-class unity can defeat it
By John Catalinotto
Published Jul 27, 2011 4:24 PM
On July 22 a bomb attack on central Oslo and a massacre at an island Labor Party summer camp killed 76 people, most of them youths. It was the worst such tragedy in that country of 4.8 million people since World War II.The world asked what crisis, what degeneration, could be poisoning society so that such a disaster would occur in a place as apparently free of strife as Norway.
The BBC, the New York Times and other corporate media throughout the U.S. and Europe immediately sought out “anti-terror experts,” who immediately blamed “Islamic terrorists.” The media repeated this charge at full volume. The experts even underlined NATO-member Norway’s quiet role in the occupation of Afghanistan and the bombing of Libya as the possible motives of what they called the “terrorist” acts.
They were completely wrong. Moreover, their own words and acts showed the media’s complicity in the crime.
Journalism Professor Rune Ottosen, cited in a Norwegian workers’ daily, Klassekampen (Class Struggle), said that the New York Times took “an unreasonably long time” to change its tune even after it was clear that a Christian Norwegian was the mass murderer. Then the media avoided calling the Norwegian a terrorist, let alone a Christian terrorist; he was instead labeled a “psychopath,” which removes political responsibility.
By now nearly everyone knows that 32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik, a self-proclaimed Christian and anti-Muslim, has admitted killing 76 people and wounding more than 100 on July 22. They know too that he did this as a political statement of hate for Islam and for “multiculturalism” and for anything resembling Marxism or workers’ solidarity.
Like the Arizona shooter Jared Loughner, Breivik’s terrorist act grew out of the racist and anti-immigrant politics that are the central organizing tools of ultra-right organizations in Europe like the National Front in France and the Northern League in Italy — and the Tea Party in the United States, which is the home office of racism.
In Norway the party of this type is the Progressive Party, to which Breivik belonged until 2006. This fascist-style ideology has been adopted — in a barely milder form — by mainstream capitalist politicians in Europe and North America.
Rather than combating racist ideology and right-wing fallacies, the mainstream capitalist parties and the corporate-owned media help the ultra-right create a political atmosphere poisoned by the worst sort of racism and anti-immigrant, anti-foreign, especially anti-Muslim, attitudes. The Times, the BBC and the capitalists do nothing to encourage multinational solidarity, especially among the working class. Thus they help create the septic mix that nurtures a killer like Breivik.
Unlike Loughner, Breivik left a 1,500-page manifesto documenting his plans and revealing his close ties with racist U.S. bloggers and anti-Muslim ideology. A New York Times article on July 25 exposed the role of U.S.-based ultra-rightists in Breivik’s development. There are 64 references in this document to Robert Spencer, who operates the U.S.-based “Jihad Watch” website, and that’s just one example.
Look behind these developments and you find the severe capitalist economic crisis. Its first victims were the oppressed countries, the former colonies. Workers and farmers trying to survive made their way at great cost to Europe and the United States to find work, and for years many did find work.
Now the crisis is hitting home in the imperialist countries. There is high unemployment overall. What is the solution for workers and oppressed communities?
Breivik’s ideological fellow-thinkers —including those like Glenn Beck, whose first reaction to the massacre was to attack Norway’s Labor Party — propose ratcheting up racism and expelling immigrants.
These “solutions” keep the working class divided and fighting each other for the steadily dwindling pool of jobs. The capitalists are just fine with that.
Like the Times and the BBC, the mainstream capitalist parties refuse to stand firm against this racism, as the capitalists don’t want to promote solidarity. They profit from keeping workers divided.
The only alternative is for the working class itself to develop and strengthen solidarity and unity among all workers, the unemployed, and those from oppressed nations — and to realize that our enemy is the wealthy capitalist class, not each other.
The racist, divisive aims and acts of anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant neo-fascists can be stopped if workers, whether they are born in a country or immigrants, join together to struggle for jobs and for an end to the nightmare of capitalism worldwide.
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- no comment poopeater?74LEO
- You're challenging his reading comprehension & reasoning skills...he only deals with soundbitesTheBlueOne
