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- robotron3k0
- full. of. shit. half the ones i zoomed in on were empty farm fields. the other half said "possible fema usage...********
- ... in spare lot of penetentiary." what an absolute crock of shit roboconspiracy3k. take off your tin foil cap.********
- Christ. Keep zooming in and the next 6 I went to were all state prisons. You're kidding right?********
- dude. some a-hole renamed state prisons "fema camps" and called it a day. wtf.********
- i can't take any of you seriously anymore********
- full. of. shit. half the ones i zoomed in on were empty farm fields. the other half said "possible fema usage...
- ukit0
What makes a FEMA camp a "concentration camp?"
Maybe reread your history before you start throwing terms like that around.
- don't shoot the messenger, that's how their described on google maps.robotron3k
- It's *they're. And those camps are described on google maps by a conspiracy website. Not arguing their intent, justtommyo
- confirming that your argument is silly thus far.tommyo
- has anyone zoomed in on them? half are empty corn fields or there is nothing there. i call bullshit.********
- you and the media are doing nothing more than spreading bullshit fear.********
- som, do you deny these camps exist at all?BattleAxe
- some. not all.********
- maybe like 1/20th of those at most are real. if that.********
- PonyBoy0
perhaps you should look at the camps and their set usage, ukit... you would agree they they fit the definition of concentration camps...
... they're completely set w/guard houses / fenced set-ups etc... built to secure people inside it.
The ones that are open are completely staffed w/guards... and more 'old' camps / prison areas are in the middle of being revamped and ready to go online by FEMA as I type this...
... scary shit.
- designbot0
The United States Federal Emergency Management Agency has numerous detainment camps throughout the United States. Some camps have been recently constructed and / or renovated and are fully staffed. The existence of the camps coupled with Presidential Executive Orders giving the President and Department of Homeland Security (of which FEMA is now part) control over ‘national essential functions’ in the event of ‘catastrophic emergency’ have resulted in concerns that the camps will be used to forcefully detain American citizens for unconstitutional purposes.
The stated purpose of FEMA is to “reduce the loss of life and property and protect the Nation from all hazards, including natural disasters, acts of terrorism, and other man-made disasters, by leading and supporting the nation in a risk-based, comprehensive emergency management system of preparedness, protection, response, recovery, and mitigation.” [3]
- ukit0
LOL
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/…
OK, I admit, I had not heard much about this particular conspriacy theory. But seriously...seriously.
I mean, c'mon, you guys are reasonably smart people. You're really telling me you buy this crap?
- ukit0
Burial vaults?
Looks like he's just cracking open the cooler to grab a beer.
- Josev0
are those the vaults mentioned in this article:
Theories surface around vaults stored in Madison
http://www.morgancountycitizen.c…"This quantity of burial vaults, Vantage’s Standard Air Seal model in black, also the least expensive model and the most in-demand, was made to cater to what Lacey calls the funeral industry’s “pre-need.” This “pre-need” occurs when people make arrangements for their funeral before they actually pass away, so that the family doesn’t have to go through the perceived stress of making the arrangements. When these arrangements are made, the products are paid for; obviously, though, they are not yet needed.
So, Vantage stores the product until the person dies, and the product is needed.
Further, pallets of the burial vaults are moved truckloads at a time, as there is space for a palate at the
Contrary to the beliefs of the theorists, then, the burial vaults aren’t owned by the government, or FEMA. Instead, they’re owned by individuals, or not yet sold."
- tommyo0
One thing I really fucking hate are conspiracy theories. I'm going to ask this with the utmost sincerity: Has there ever been a conspiracy theory that turned into fact?
I'm honestly wondering. And I mean real undisputed fact.
- I dunno, but if you want conspiracy then you need to look no further than http://www.infowars.…EightyDeuce
- stop ruining my fun, hookerPonyBoy
- tommyo, there are lots of conspiracy theories that have really happened. Of course once it's out, it's not a consipiracy anymore, hence the problem.designbot
- conspiracy anymore, hence the problem.designbot
- Iran coup lead by CIA admitted by Obama ?BattleAxe
- utopian0
^^^ Asbestos: Between 1930 and 1960, manufacturers did all they could to prevent the link between asbestos and respiratory diseases, including cancer, becoming known, so they could avoid prosecution. American workers had in fact sued the Johns Manville company as far back as 1932, but it was not until 1962 that epidemiologists finally established beyond any doubt what company bosses had known for a long time – asbestos causes cancer.
My father died from that shit, meanwhile the U.S. government did every thing it could to cover up the truth for nearly 50 years prior to my father's death. Mainly because the Fortune 500 companies that produced that shit have a vast majority of congress, senate and the entire U.S. government on their payroll and they still do to this day.
If you have the time read one of thousands of articles and or depositions regarding the manufacturing, cover-ups, lies, history, denial, conspiracy, facts, etc... on asbestos: http://www.google.com/search?hl=…
- designbot0
@tommyo...you might find these interesting
The 9 Most Shocking Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out to be True:
1.The Dreyfus Affair: In the late 1800s in France, Jewish artillery officer Alfred Dreyfus was wrongfully convicted of treason based on false government documents, and sentenced to life in prison. The French government did attempt to cover this up, but Dreyfus was eventually pardoned after the affair was made public (an act that is credited to writer Émile Zola).
2.The Mafia: This secret crime society was virtually unknown until the 1960s, when member Joe Valachi first revealed the society's secrets to law enforcement officials.
3.MK-ULTRA: In the 1950s to the 1970s, the CIA ran a mind-control project aimed at finding a "truth serum" to use on communist spies. Test subjects were given LSD and other drugs, often without consent, and some were tortured. At least one man, civilian biochemist Frank Olson, who was working for the government, died as a result of the experiments. The project was finally exposed after investigations by the Rockefeller Commission.
4.Operation Mockingbird: Also in the 1950s to '70s, the CIA paid a number of well-known domestic and foreign journalists (from big-name media outlets like Time, The Washington Post, The New York Times, CBS and others) to publish CIA propaganda. The CIA also reportedly funded at least one movie, the animated "Animal Farm," by George Orwell. The Church Committee finally exposed the activities in 1975.
5.Watergate: Republican officials spied on the Democratic National Headquarters from the Watergate Hotel in 1972. While conspiracy theories suggested underhanded dealings were taking place, it wasn't until 1974 that White House tape recordings linked President Nixon to the break-in and forced him to resign.
6.The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: The United States Public Health Service carried out this clinical study on 400 poor, African-American men with syphilis from 1932 to 1972. During the study the men were given false and sometimes dangerous treatments, and adequate treatment was intentionally withheld so the agency could learn more about the disease. While the study was initially supposed to last just six months, it continued for 40 years. Close to 200 of the men died from syphilis or related complications by the end of the study.
Operation Northwoods was a well-orchestrated plan by top U.S. military leaders to create public support for a war against Cuba -- by carrying out acts of terrorism on U.S. soil, hijacking planes, sinking Cuban refugee boats and more.
7.Operation Northwoods: In the early 1960s, American military leaders drafted plans to create public support for a war against Cuba, to oust Fidel Castro from power. The plans included committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities, killing innocent people and U.S. soldiers, blowing up a U.S. ship, assassinating Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees, and hijacking planes. The plans were all approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but were reportedly rejected by the civilian leadership, then kept secret for nearly 40 years.
8.The Iran-Contra Affair: In 1985 and '86, the White House authorized government officials to secretly trade weapons with the Israeli government in exchange for the release of U.S. hostages in Iran. The plot was uncovered by Congress in 1987.
9.1990 Testimony of Nayirah: A 15-year-old girl named "Nayirah" testified before the U.S. Congress that she had seen Iraqi soldiers pulling Kuwaiti babies from incubators, causing them to die. The testimony helped gain major public support for the 1991 Gulf War, but -- despite protests that the dispute of this story was itself a conspiracy theory -- it was later discovered that the testimony was false. It was actually the creation of public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for the purpose of promoting the Gulf War.
- the mafia was a conspiracy theory? haha. where's the latin kings infiltration of the white house one dude? hahaha********
- I don't think I'd call a lot of these 'conspiracy theories.' Some of them yes, and thank you for the info. I'll have to look a few oftommyo
- these up and learn some more about them. Pretty interesting stuff, especially #3.tommyo
- the mafia was a conspiracy theory? haha. where's the latin kings infiltration of the white house one dude? hahaha
- ********0
^ half of those aren't conspiracy theories dude. roswell, the moon landing, 9-11, obama is a lizard king... those are conspiracy theories. half of those are not.
- Thus lies the problem, how do you prove at one point they were consipiracy theories?designbot
- DrBombay0
You forgot one that just happened in the past few years. There was no link between al quaeda and Iraq and the president lied us into war. I believe this is pretty indisputable now.
- how can we forget that? you mention it at least once a month in this thread.********
- Sorry to waste your valuable time.DrBombay
- But you were one of the fuckheads that thought it wasn't possible, I am sure.DrBombay
- there you go. ASSuming again. besides. it was a joke bitch.********
- when did the war in iraq start? how old is my username? do that math.********
- Who cares, I still think you're a twat.DrBombay
- Yeah lots of fishy things happened pre/post 911. Wish there wasn't so many crazy theories and misinformation out there.designbot
- there.designbot
- ah well that's nice. don't ever change bombay. i always want to be better than you.********
- Keep thinking that.DrBombay
- Sorry Rick that's not a 'conspiracy theory.'tommyo
- how can we forget that? you mention it at least once a month in this thread.
- ukit0
Who's going to run the FEMA death camps and exterminate us all?
I'm sensing a hole in this theory...
- GeorgesII0
look at your dollars at work...
sad sad sad and fuckn sad
- GeorgesII0
^
you do realize most of those kids have double nationality and some are bitching about mexican not being patriotic.
- ukit0
It is funny how these this stuff gets used and reused...
1956
The Alaska Mental Health Enabling Act passed to improve mental health care in the United States territory of Alaska became the focus of a political controversy after opponents nicknamed it the "Siberia Bill" and denounced it as being part of a communist plot to hospitalize and brainwash Americans.
Campaigners asserted that it was part of an international Jewish, Roman Catholic or psychiatric conspiracy intended to establish United Nations-run concentration camps in the United States.
A small anti-communist women's group in southern California, the American Public Relations Forum (APRF), issued an urgent call to arms in its monthly bulletin. "We could not help remembering that Siberia is very near Alaska and since it is obvious no one needs such a large land grant, we were wondering if it could be an American Siberia."
The APRF had a history of opposing mental health legislation; earlier in 1955, it had played a key role in stalling the passage of three mental health bills in the California Assembly. It was part of a wider network of far-right organizations which opposed psychiatry and psychology as being pro-communist, anti-American, anti-Christian and pro-Jewish.
The Keep America Committee, another Californian "superpatriot" group, summed up the anti-mental health mood on the far right in a pamphlet issued in May 1955. Calling "mental hygiene" part of the "unholy three" of the "Communistic World Government", it declared: "Mental Hygiene is a subtle and diabolical plan of the enemy to transform a free and intelligent people into a cringing horde of zombies".
- right wingers have always been nutcases.DrBombay
- Creativity is kinda against the grain for "conservatives"TheBlueOne
- haha agreedtommyo
- designbot0
Human rights attorney tortured in China
Christian human rights attorney Gao Zhisheng, has now been missing 50 days, and there is increasing concern for his life. He was last seen being hauled away from his home by more than a dozen police officers on February 4. Reports from inside China indicate he is undergoing brutal torture.
The situation is critical, and with each day that passes, Gao Zhisheng's life hangs in the balance.
Because of Gao's work defending house church Christians and others persecuted in China, the Chinese government wants to silence his voice. ChinaAid president, Bob Fu calls Gao's torture "the most severe persecution in China's modern history." Gao's wife and two children, who have also been abused and tormented by the police, escaped to the U.S. less than two weeks ago. His family is afraid that authorities, furious at their escape, are taking revenge on Gao.
ChinaAid and The Voice of the Martyrs, together with Gao Zhisheng's wife and children, call on all Christians and those who value human dignity and justice to speak out on Gao Zhisheng's behalf by signing a petition to free Gao.
- Hate to say it but you don't go to china trying to organize people, you just don't do that.DrBombay
- says the guy who in this same thread was denying any Christian persecution.designbot
- And he wasn't trying to organize people, he was defending them (Christians).designbot
- China doesn't want their people to be religious, thought you may have known that.DrBombay
- Are you actually siding with China or what Dr.B?designbot
- So you are in favor of China's position? Or you just think that no one should be allowed to challenge it?tommyo
- "China doesn't want their people to be religious" You know there are over 660 million Buddhists right?designbot
- I think it is a fact of life, no one is going to tell china anything. It is just a fact.DrBombay
- dbot, I think he doesn't think about these things for very long. He's like Bill O'Reilly, an opinionated stubborn venomous hateful mother fucker.tommyo
- hateful mother fucker.tommyo
- Buddhism and christianity are apples and oranges. Big part of being christian is trying to convert people.DrBombay
- Yes, Dr.B, admit your obviously biased. I'm sorry that can't see how messed up this is.designbot
- I never said I agreed with it, I just said fighting the chinese gov isn't going to end well. Didnt defend anything.DrBombay
- You were going off about US torture in the form of "waterboarding" and this is 20 times worse. I guess since he's a Christian in China it's ok.designbot
- Christian in China it's ok.designbot
- I am not defending a fucking thing, do you not get that?DrBombay
- Okay Okay, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. But sometimes it's admirable to admit and see your bias.designbot
- What bias exactly?DrBombay
- look no further than your reaction and first comments on my post.designbot
- There is no bias, fighting the chinese gov as though it is a democracy is foolish.DrBombay
- tommyo0
^^ So Rick, your opinion is that it's okay for a government to persecute someone for their beliefs. It's alright for them to be held captive and tortured simply because that government doesn't agree? You seem to justify this sort of action simply because the act of differing from the government is a feeble attempt to begin with. Is this assessment correct?
Let's say that this guy was there to take a stand against China's ongoing environmental abuses. You would feel completely different in this case wouldn't you? You know what that means right? It means that dbot is correct that you simply have a bias towards this guys beliefs to begin with. :)
- Before you react, just think about it. Take a few minutes and ponder.tommyo
- What don't you get, I didn't defend anything... Fighting a communist gov like it is a democracy is foolish.DrBombay
- True, I'll agree that it might be considered foolish.tommyo
- And I didn't defend anything at all. So don't tell me what my opinion is please.DrBombay
- ALso, I justified absolutely nothing China did, so don't say that either.DrBombay
- so obvious, yet bombay still doesn't see his major flaw.********
- One more thing, stop riding my jock like a bicycle.DrBombay
- But can you concede that if this were a different situation that you would champion this guy's efforts? Or no?tommyo
- btw, you might notice that I'm trying to talk to you as if you were an adult. See if you can handle that okay?tommyo
- Is that before or after you compared me to Bill O reilly and called me a hateful motherfucker?DrBombay
- No, Fighting the chinese gov ends in you being executed or imprisoned.DrBombay
- Yeah and then I felt bad about it.tommyo
- Eh, nevermind. I don't think you really get what I'm saying. Have a good one, I got tons of shit to do today.tommyo
- One more thing, stop riding my jock like a bicycle. - you mean in the same way you ride their jocks?********
- again, your flaw is blindingly obvious to everyone but yourself. you're 40 right? jesus fuck.********
- Your opinion is meaningless.DrBombay
- Keep thinking that.
(sound familiar)********
- designbot0
arghhh, I am really starting to get frustrated being in this thread. I'm going to take a break.
There are OBVIOUS biases among some of the more dominant people in here. The fact that you cannot see these, but everyone else can is telling in itself. I'll fully admit I have my own biases, in fact everyone indeed does. But the difference is, I'm not in denial about them.
The beauty of a forum like this with varying political positions and knowledge is that we can learn from each other. This of course is only possible when people are able to let their guard down and are willing to hear out the other side before making a conclusion. What good does it do anybody to cling to one sided views and remain their for eternity?
And before I get any snarky comments about "heed your own advice" especially in regards to my faith, know that I do this regularly. Though I may have certain convictions and beliefs, I frequently have insightful discussions with friends who hold to very different beliefs (like Atheism) I can say without hesitation I have learned a great deal from these discussions.
I am glad there are some people in here who seem to know everything. My question is, why even entertain a forum like this? If you come to the table with and ego and know it all attitude, you will never learn anything. Your presuppositions (right or wrong) make it impossible for you to engage in any thoughtful conversation. ( and for the record, this isn't directed only towards Dr.B)
Peace
- You just happen to work in an industry dominated by libs and commies;)ukit
