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- ********0
tommyo rules. Most others here love Barack so much, it's a bit scary.
- DrBombay0
Say something worth a damn and you could be like Tommy too. Me and Tommy disagree on most everything, but I believe he is heartfelt in his opinions. You, on the other hand, just wants to aggravate the "liberals" and are full of beans.
- ********0
By the way, tomorrow will be announced our new $2T deficit. Next year it will exceed $3T. By the end of Barack's first term, our deficit will be $5.2T or more.
- designbot0
But when inflation is through the roof (which is inevitable) in a few years....that 5.2T will be more like 2.5T that the government actually has to pay back. The system will be oversaturated with useless paper money. Brilliant I tell you.
- lowimpakt0
there is a strange irony in those that persue a deregulatory ideology placing such emphasis on the abilities of an individual to control a system.
they like to blame someone but don't know where to turn when it's the fault of the market.
- Thank you.TheBlueOne
- No thank you.********
- I see only one retard exposing a deregulatory ideology here and it ain't me asshatTheBlueOne
- ********0
^ Is there now, and "strange irony", you say? And tell me how you know this to be an absolute fact, that what you say.
That's right, you DON'T. You're simply making generalizations (again). Tosser!!!
- ********0
Obama Apologizes for Calling His Bad Bowling 'Like the Special Olympics'.
His controversial joke hadn't even aired yet when President Obama got on the phone from Air Force One Thursday night to apologize for comparing his notoriously bad bowling skills to the Special Olympics.
- lowimpakt0
"And tell me how you know this to be an absolute fact, that what you say."
are you on acid?
- http://www.newmexico…TheBlueOne
- Why do you pretend to "know all"— how people think, etc?********
- tommyo0
Low,
So can I ask you something. You think that gov should be the ones to regulate and control markets? You think that's the best idea? I mean, regulation is a pretty broad term. And I am genuinely asking this for a want of knowledge. I'll offer up a little of my perspective to give you some context.
I think the credit default swaps are a perfect example of where gov was needed for regulatory purposes, and didn't show up. There was a bill before congress to force companies into having the actual capital to back up their legal betting, they voted it down on what I think was a Friday before holiday. Having this bill in place, we probably wouldn't be half as fucked as we are right now. I just don't really see what balance of control you think is beneficial or appropriate in terms of the market. See because there are also government introduced controls on industry like the sugar debacle here http://findarticles.com/p/articl… that I think are a major overstep by our gov, controlling the market and hurting everyone in the process. What if these sugar substitutes really do turn out to be extremely damaging? What if high fructose corn syrup is THAT bad for us? It would be gov meddling in the economy that put the corn syrup in our food source to begin with.
Just look at our countries economic reliance on the Fed. Who interestingly enough set interest rates to once again, give gov control of the economy. It's a fact that this is a large contributing factor to the situation we're in now. Why are interest rates so low right now? No one has savings which means there isn't a surplus of capital for banks to lend, hence, interest rates should be higher. This has been the case for the last decade, Fed Reserve keeping interest rates low to promote a healthy, yet false, rich economy. So where exactly are some examples of gov doing good things in business? Making business easier and more cost effective so we can build a real and healthy economy. I surely haven't seen much. The only positive story I know of off hand involves the story behind Harley Davidson and their near collapse because of the market saturation of Japanese street bikes. But even that story has HD as the proactive change agent with a sidekick, Robinesque role being played by the gov.
But just looking at two of the examples:
1. Credit default swaps where gov was there and able to regulate something that needed regulation to protect the future of our economy, they failed. The banks were reckless, but gov failed nonetheless.
2. Fed interest rates causing the housing balloon that went POP! Again, gov reliance on the Feds controlling and meddling in economy, failed.
I mean as I see it these two things, along with plenty of corporate greed got us where we are today. So I personally don't see where an argument for gov > freemarket or freemarket > gov has any standing these days. Anyone touting either in undue balance is a fucking idiot as far as I'm concerned. But again, I'm not well versed in these things.
- ********0
^ Well said.
Also, just wait for the "fake/funny" money "bubble" to pop. Should happen this year, give or take. And, when this bubble pops, there will be nothing left to catch us. NOTHING at all.
This "fake/funny money" bubble is the next, and final shoe to drop and it will be terrifying. Oh, wait, STOP THE PRESS!!!
I forgot that Obama promised to reduce the deficit to $500B by the end of his term... WHEW! I am sooo glad we have him in place to avert this looming crisis.
- BonSeff0
get us the fuck out of iraq and we will reduce the deficit you fucking hammer.
- O.k., I agree. And we are "leaving Iraq", but unfortunately, we're now headed to AfghaniLand you f•••••g nail head.********
- O.k., I agree. And we are "leaving Iraq", but unfortunately, we're now headed to AfghaniLand you f•••••g nail head.
- DrBombay0
GetRefresh, I want to fist fight you. You talk a TON of shit and have absolutely no viable alternatives at all, ever. Prove me wrong you fucking dipshit. Say anything as an alternative. ANY FUCKING THING.
- You don't really mean fist-fight, do you? I'm to old for that shit.********
- ... you can take on my nephew if you want to though.********
- your shit is tired, say something that means something, mark.DrBombay
- You don't really mean fist-fight, do you? I'm to old for that shit.
- ukit0
- The libs are the ones horny for this guy. Why the fuck is he even still in the news? For the record, I would totally maketommyo
- that same horny joke. I thought it was pretty funny.tommyo
- Because he keeps getting invited to conservative events to speak for some reason.DrBombay
- hahaha okay I just watched the video, then read their synopsis. Worlds apart. FU Huffington Post.tommyo
- DrB...seriously watch the vid and read their evaluation. haha what jackasses.tommyo
- Im on a conference call, can't watch right now. but he is a dumbfuck who keeps getting invited to conservative events.DrBombay
- I do agree with that. He needs to get lost. But are the lib media sources that angry with this guy that they need to fabricate? Sad.tommyo
- Same reason conservatives had a hard on for michael moore maybe?TheBlueOne
- It's like that video of him a few weeks ago where it claimed he said he wanted to shoot people. You and I both couldnt hear that.tommyo
- he's an easy targetDrBombay
- Yeah maybe TBO, but this seems more like a rabid blind hatred. It's silly. Everyone knows he's a jackass, why stoop?tommyo
- does everyone know he is a jackass? He keeps getting invited to these events for some reason.DrBombay
- I think it's for the same reason Garafalo was invited to events 6 years ago. So she could stammer like a fool in public.tommyo
- honestly, she is waaaaay more intelligent than joe the tax dodging unlicensed plombero is.DrBombay
- bulletfactory0
loosely off topic....
is it me, or is the DNS of the whitehouse website messed up?
works:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/does not work:
http://whitehouse.gov/- Both work for me except for some reason Gotham ISN'T ON THE PAGE. GET GOTHAM ON THERE FFS.tommyo
- TheBlueOne0
Found this interesting.
"When proposers do something to deserve their riches, nobody complains. But when they get rewarded for no reason and then refuse to fairly distribute their reward, people get furious. They begin doubting the integrity of the system, and become more sensitive to perceived inequalities. They reject the very premise of the game."
- I find you interesting TBO.tommyo
- Nice rhetoric TBO.********
- You obviously don't know the difference between a quote and a citation and rhetoric. Nice try with the big words though.TheBlueOne
- tommyo0
Well my liberal bias friends. I'm gone till Monday, into the wilderness, so invite your friends over and have a big party or something. Do something so un-conservative that when I get back I'll look at the pages I missed and want to comment on something but deep down I'll know that no one will ever read it ... everyone will have moved on. Cheers.
- ukit0
Prediction: this thread will still be going during the 2032 Malia Obama/ Bristol Palin election and Bombay and Tommyo will still be having the same argument.
- well score one for consistency eh?TheBlueOne
- Like a still point in a moving world...TheBlueOne
- DrBombay0
FUCK YOU UKIT!!!!
:P
- ********0
If tommyo is leaving, so am I. See you all Monday. Peace and warm blessings to everyone. †
- TheBlueOne0
Looks like an interesting listen. I'd probably take issue with it, but sounds intriguing.