Obama's speech
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- locustsloth0
So to make us realize how bad Republicans are, you're acting like one while advocating the Democratic ticket with your words?
- Oh, and calling names (sorry, forgot that)locustsloth
- < precisely.flashbender
- flashbender0
hahahahaha. This is precisely why I despise political parties:
"I'm simplifying my message for you Republicans since that is a classic tactic of yours."
Becasue I disagree with your narrow minded view I simply can not be a devoted Democrat in your mind. And you don't see anything wrong with that.
Also, I never said that I think the tactics the GOP uses are acceptable, I said it was disappointing that you would use the same tactics. That you propose change, yet use the same old, tired means to attempt to bring about this change.
But it is fabulous that you think me a Republican simply because I disagree with your person view that you put forth as "Truth"
- well saidsputnik2
- I'm not a Democrat dude.Lt_Jack_Hammer
- and I'm not a Republican. My point is the dems have painted the GOP as the "evil" party and it is counterproductive for >>flashbender
- them to use the same tactics to make their point.flashbender
- capsize0
what would sureshot blog?
- sputnik20
i'm hesitating to post here, but i respect many of you. i am an independent...i'm really left on some issues, and a bit right-of-center on others. i try to see both sides and vote accordingly.
my issue is the attitude of the left. that some of of you think that you have to be a retard not to be on the left or for obama, or worse, malevolent for even thinking of associating with the right. i have to say that this is the PRIMARY reason i can't register myself as a democrat. it's that negativity, holier-than-thou attitude which i find insulting and embarrassing. again, there are definite problems with reps, but right now i'm talking about dems.
obama resonated with me most of the time, and although his social programmes sound great, they concern me. i have trouble with the government running any of this smoothly (see irs, post office, immigration), but that's beside the point. what bothers me is when he (like you) talks about "them", meaning non-democrats, it's always in a manner which is condescending.
i guess i'm just venting frustration with this. i can't turn on the tv and seeing some celebrity waxing on an on about how dumb and mean the right has to be for not embracing obama, and then i come here and see the same thing. i think i would've been on board with him ages ago if it weren't for that. i just don't want to be associated with it.
then i look at mccain and barf.
- "i can't turn on the tv without seeing..." is what i meant.sputnik2
- You shouldn't hesitate. America is about dissent, debate, and the freedom to openly engage in both.dog_opus
- +1Jaline
- I'm glad we don't have to register with anyone here.Jaline
- you blame him for his followers?Dr_Rand
- not just his followers, him as well....i've definitely heard it in his speeches.sputnik2
- The difference is, I feel this way about both parties, not just the democrats. That it's all condescending.Jaline
- surely lefties are an optomistic bunch?thestevo
- i agree with jaline. i've honestly seen optimism on both sides, i don't think it's a party thing.sputnik2
- true, but dont the repubs just paint all Dems as hippy, arugula eating, cut & run liberals? they do the same thingsintaxera
- Obama has talked many times about non-partisanship, and rarely calls himself a Dem. The Repubs are all about attacking Dems since they can't win on issuesjjoeth6
- And healthcare... you think it goes smoothly now? It couldn't be much worse.jjoeth6
- Witt0
Not trying to subvert the topic of this thread, but Clinton made a statement 2 days ago that's already a classic in PT's liberal blogosphere:
"People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power."
- jjoeth60
I want to watch the speech again and whack off, it was that good.
- Lt_Jack_Hammer0
I also think the 2 party system sucks.
- < in that, it should be more.Lt_Jack_Hammer
- that depends. Big countries cannot have too many parties. They would simply stall.Witt
- I can not agree with this enough. 5 would be good. 12 would be betterflashbender
- 5? why 5? you need a center and 2 sets of radicals?Witt
- common 5 is what we have here. That means some balance indeed but it also means excessive paperwork.Witt
- I love paperworkflashbender
- TheBlueOne0
Obama's whole campaign has been very layered with myth. There are allusions everywhere to some very great and powerful touchstones in American history and character. In Obama I see alot of Lincoln, Roosevelt and Reagan. I find his speeches I see alot of Emerson ..even last night he dropped some Einstein paraphrasing - "You understand that in this election, the greatest risk we can take is to try the same old politics with the same old players and expect a different result." and Einstein said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."..
I mean Obama IS the smart guy in the room and he's (or the people around him) really know how to connect his story to the deeper and older currents in the US mythos. I hope it works...
- flavorful0
I particularly liked it, because it showed some of the fire that people who are undecided (which just boggles my fucking mind, and always has when people can't make decisions like this). He's been said of coming off too soft at times, and raising the voice and getting everyone's attention with a emphatic pause with an over hand right is what some people need.
Then again, that's why Biden is on the ticket, haha.
- nocomply0
- 2 for $5
http://store.baracko…nocomply - This doesn't look nice. But I like the image itself.Jaline
- It's a very cute moment.Jaline
- 2 for $5
- sintaxera0
Moonbeam, I htink people get so defensive about Obama because the Dems are so used to everyhting going to shit because of non-issues playing a big role in elections and obvious smear tactics actually working. When Dems see the possibility of a candidate that actually looks like he ca bring some much needed change to the US, the last thing they want is for it to be ruined by cheap ploys and name calling by the Repubs.
- thestevo0
Surely because it requires an open-mindedness.
- TheBlueOne0
Huh...didn't think Buchanan would be a fan...
- Jaline0
Obama better win or all hope is lost.
- Meaning Jaline's afraid we'll all show up on her doorstep the first weekend of Novlocustsloth
- hahahaJaline
- I'm not joking. Even the appearance of the U.S.A. to other people has been obliterated (more than I thought possible).Jaline
- possible for a country that was already seen in a negative light).Jaline
- And she's right. Everyone get their phone trees, carpool lists, and directions to Jaline's house yet?locustsloth
- I was around 14 when Bush came into power so I had to catch up a bit.Jaline
- I'm glad you're not clinging to some bullshit pretense of objectivitymagnificent_ruin
- Objectivity = republicans are a disastermagnificent_ruin
- By the way, is it bad that I love visiting Obama's site because of how it's gives people eyegasms?Jaline
- *itJaline
- I am a very objective person, and I think it's the right thing for most things. But not when it comes to the President. Still, I willJaline
- not bash another person for their views, which a lot of people here do.Jaline
- "bullshit pretense of objectivity"
At least look at every side, if you are going to have an opinionJaline - we've been looking at it for eight yearsmagnificent_ruin
- I'm talking about objectivity in general.Jaline
- (there are users here who make both sides look stupid)Jaline
- < that one was about the election.
I'm making this very confusing.Jaline - // end note
:PJaline
- loaf0
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- ukit0
Holy shit amazing pics loaf
- kelpie0
I seriously can't understand how anyone couldn't respond to what he's saying. It isn't even remotely left wing for christ's sake.
good luck rand
- It was more 19th century pragmatic progressive than post-New Deal Liberal.TheBlueOne
- good luck to you, tooDr_Rand
- Georges0
turn off the volume though.
http://www.nytimes.com/interacti…