R.I.P. Design
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- neue75_bold0
Si Scott got you down?
- Enzo0
Design isn't dead, it's just stale. Something will change soon--software or style. Make something with your hands, you'll feel better.
- neue75_bold0
anyways, this is terribly subjective... If I look at your website, I would call it good, but only by very basic criteria, it wouldn't make me want to work with you. And judging by comments I've seen you make, you'd feel the same about design I consider to be good...
A global homogeneous approach is not that bad of a thing either. Look at it this way - If we all wore the same clothes and had the same hairstyle, good looking people would still stand out... It would force brands to to create useful products that people actually need and potentially force the consumer to make more considered and less emotional decisions...
- this is what $4 a gallon gasoline proves********
- expensive taste?neue75_bold
- expensive waste forces demand for elegant solutions********
- this is what $4 a gallon gasoline proves
- omgitsacamera0
well yeah, this is because anyone can pretty much do anything for a meager price on the interwebs.
designers, etc. just need to break through that barrier imo.
- Jnr_Madison0
Anyone seen any good bike threads lately?
- no, just straight out of the box ones. nobody is even trying with the bike threads anymore.********
- R.I.P Bicycle Threadsneue75_bold
- no, just straight out of the box ones. nobody is even trying with the bike threads anymore.
- 23kon0
rather than letting design get stale, i look at new methods of creation.
i am now creating fully accessible flash websites in plah-doh
- jamble0
I'm currently working on a site that can't be viewed by vegetarians.
- BaskerviIle0
Why do people live in some fantasy world where they think that in the past ALL design was artistic and perfectly formed?
I think it's due in part to the design history books. We all look back at design's past and all we see is Eames chairs and Paul Rand identities. We forget that while all the great work was being done, there were still 1000s of shoddy pieces being knocked out.
For every eames chair there were 100s of uncomfortable horrible chairs. Looking forward to now, we have the joy of Aeron chairs which some would say, functionally are a great improvement on previous chair designs.Not all printers were creating beautiful letterpressed hand bound books, some were churning out horribly designed flyers etc, even back then.
As an example look back at old Newspaper design, below is a the cover from the Times on this day in 1960, then compare it to moden newspaper design.
There is a lot of great design around today, and it's more accesible than ever. There will always be people on the periphery, and to a certain extent desktop publishing has made this more true of the design world.
But don't look back on design history with rose tinted glasses, don't forget the shoddy hacks were around back then too, selling the equivilent of $5 logos etc.- *nods head... huffs glue,********
- * nods head, puffs pipeneue75_bold
- waiting for some feedback, had a couple of minutes to wasteBaskerviIle
- *nods head... huffs glue,
- ********0
Well said, Baskerville.
There's a lot of great 'design' around these days. Probably a lot more than the good old days. Design is such a broad term, so maybe you need to broaden your horizons, Michael. Looking beyond this website would be a start.
- neue75_bold0
On a more idealistic level, the major difference between the past and the present is the trend of UCD, beyond just web design... we're empowering the end user too much and ultimately the strive and ambition to make things easier and accessible is doing more detriment than good...
This is nothing terribly new, but much more prevalent in the past 15 years...
- auejim0
- he hates this, or is that why you posted it?neue75_bold
- do people still use this?********
- BaskerviIle0
I think the single biggest threat to good design is vector silhouettes!
Followed closely by the 'do without thinking' approach to design as showcased at places like threadless. Making 'design' a commodity rather than a thought process is a dangerous thing.
- ********0
By the time they'd traced all those vectors, the trend for vectors was over.
FAIL
- 23kon0
trend for vectors over?!
never?!
- neue75_bold0
good design should be measured more by it's communicative qualities and less about it's formal qualities... but that in-itself is a probably a good indicator about why there's so much shit out there [past and present]
- what you say should be more important than how you say it...neue75_bold
- agreedBaskerviIle
- why I love tiborBaskerviIle
- a decorative style developed to appear artless********
- ********0
the clarity with which the designer/pimp/whore communicates the message "buy me" to the idiot consumer, while at the same time communicating enough design in-jokes to satisfy other designers is the only true measure of success on a design messageboard.
- you cun't argue with thatneue75_bold
- It all ends up in a landfill anyway, a river of faded ink on a mountain of discarded pulp.********
- is a filled in counter a good joke?********
- ********0
there are just alot more bad designers out their these days
- ********0
a lot of the "communicative" qualities of designer favorites are fashion memes passed like secret handshakes from designer to designer, and communicate mainly to other designers... today's apparently functional, utilitarian works seem like examples of decoration
- rather than simple communication********
- style can be the message but it's no excuse for not having something to say... whether you're right or wrong..neue75_bold
- keyword "seem"neue75_bold
- any one thing "says" something which is why decoration is so pernicious********
- and why no-one says they are a decorator of type********
- if they are not decoration then this is what design will look like through all eternity********
- or decorator of honestyneue75_bold
- nothing wrong with that, leave assumption, emotion and portrayal to the talkies...neue75_bold
- restore default settings...neue75_bold
- I'm saying I don't believe it will stay that way through all eternity--and that there is no such thing as pure functional communication********
- communication. We are all influenced by fashion, decoration, whether we know it or not********
- I agree there is nothing wrong with that. I'm skeptical that designers embracing this aesthetic will still be doing so in the next round of fashion********
- the next fashion go-round********
- of course, and realistically these solutions are only so abundant in cultural context, commercially they'll neverneue75_bold
- fully resonate...
but that is a pity..neue75_bold - the designer will still remain to be more important than the product, client or target audience..neue75_bold
- HIGH FIVE!********
- HIGH FIVE!neue75_bold
- you guys********
- rather than simple communication
- showpony0
the market is based on positioning and differentiation – the antithesis of homogeneity. the more things become homogenized, the more good design will rise to the top and be in demand.
- a look at any supermarket shows that market differentiation is itself marketing miniscularity as virtue. All hat, no cattle.********
- no cattle********
- a look at any supermarket shows that market differentiation is itself marketing miniscularity as virtue. All hat, no cattle.
- kelpie0
fuck it. can't we all just add more narwhal and stfu?