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- hedge0
By making such an assertion, ukit, you appear to be 15 years old.
See that?
- I see what you did there...ukit
- hey hey hey, im the only one allowed to be 15 here, thank you very much.omgitsacamera
- drgs0
i want to be like hedge
- hedge0
10 Reasons to Love A Recession:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story…
Chicken Little and I differ on the coming recession. He hears the "R" word and immediately thinks "financial ruin."
I hear "recession" and think "disco!"...
- +1 for optimism !********
- shorter lines at Disney World too! can't wait to not go because i'll be broke like everyone else********
- You would like disco, wouldn't you. Hope you die on a coke binge.TheBlueOne
- +1 for optimism !
- ********0
http://www.theseminal.com/2008/0…
social democracies are happy places
- hedge0
"social equality" - No thanks.
"Denmark is prosperous — not the richest country in the world but it is prosperous." - By whose standards?
Supporters of social democracies are always quick to point out one of the perceived benefits of this system is the redistribution of wealth by government force to the poor. Although this may be true in limited fashion, the champions of this system never concern themselves with the victims from whom the wealth is stolen. The so-called benefits are short-lived, because democracy consumes wealth with little concern for those who produce it. Eventually the programs cannot be funded, and the dependency that has developed precipitates angry outcries for even more "fairness." Since reversing the tide against liberty is so difficult, this unworkable system inevitably leads to various forms of tyranny.
- give it up pussy.ovsm
- Either your name is "Dave" or once again you're a plagarist
http://www.thesemina…locustsloth - "social equality" - thanks.********
- plagiarism
http://www.thesemina…threadpost
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Canada is TYRANNY ! TyRAAANNNNNY !!!!!!
- They want to replace YOUR strips of bacon with round slices of cured ham! TYRANNY!!!!locustsloth
- omgitsacamera0
I thought you were either dead or in the joint.
- hedge0
Canada has not regressed enough yet to break down into tyranny.
- Great 24 hour come back********
- we're half in the bag already...tyranny looms********
- for a second i thought oozie's note said "tranny rules"locustsloth
- Great 24 hour come back
- drgs0
everytime this thread is up, i know hedge is back
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"social equality" - No thanks.
- Hedge
- hedge0
Social equality accomplishes nothing. I will take liberty over equality any day. Social inequity is what drives innovation and productivity. The prospects of moving up in society provides its citizens with the motivation to actually work. Pure social equality and wealth distribution would do nothing but breed generations of lazy, worthless individuals unwilling to work or do anything productive while the government makes sure they're equal to everyone else.
Guess what people, not everyone is born equal. Some are lazy people who smoke weed all day while others actually have work ethic.
- wealth create anti-social couch potatoes is your point?********
- ...and yes I was born a pot head.********
- No, you've completely missed my point. Please reread.hedge
- i can't i'm baked********
- wealth create anti-social couch potatoes is your point?
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just keep telling me I'm free and I'll work for nothing for you
- locustsloth0
First of all, you are putting the health of the machine (our government and it's economy) above the health of it's people. While it is valid that an unhealthy machine cannot support it's people (no matter how healthy they are), a machine set up in the ways ours currently is will only cause more people to become more unhealthy and eventually take the whole machine down with them.
Yes, competition and free-markets and (sadly) inequity drives innovation and production. But in essence what you are talking about is greed (shut up Michael Douglas). You are saying that using greed as our carrot is the best way to drive the horse-cart. i think that a mass acceptance of greed as a motivating factor will be the ruin of our (or any) society.
This brings us to another erroneous assumption.; that with social inequity absent, the country would disintigrate into a pile of lazy lie-abouts. This would be true if we pulled a switch and went from a capitalist society directly to a social democracy or a (gasp) socialist society. What is missing is imbuing the knowledge into our peoples that all our fates are interconnected, that the bad that happens to you happens to me. If 4 people are in a boat that is sinking and all 4 know that each one of them has to bail or paddle or else they will die, you'd be hard pressed to see one of them pull out a beer and a fishing pole. And even if one did, the urging of the other three for their survival would most certainly encourage the fourth.
Not realistic? Wanna know why? A couple centuries of putting wealth first and people last. We are marinated in the filth of greed. But enough people have their heads above water (sometimes by standing on the backs of others) that we're still saying it's a mighty fine cruise.
i don't expect this to change your mind. i don't expect this to happen. it can't happen, we're not evolved enough to care about others with little or nothing in return. But if enough people put as much faith, devotion, time and energy into the system i've described (or one better constructed) as they do in the current system, it would work as good if not better, but with a better point of motivation.hey, but who the fuck am i?
- drgs0
All attempts to create economic equality will fail, it can only come naturally by itself from higher standards of living, ie. not by forcibly distributing the goods, but by leveling up the average. While capitalism is a more primitive way of sharing which works optimally when the average living standard is below everyones contentment, the distribution is left to the principle of the right of the strongest.
In the future, when every citizen is secured an increasingly large portion of goods, the strive for capital gives less motivation and in the end is meaningless. As a general rule, the harder the socioeconomic environment, the stronger and more extreme hierarchies it crystalizesFeudalism (slavery, people own people) - Capitalism (rich and poor) - Socialism (basic necessities secured for everyone, progressive taxes) - True communism (total equality, human ant colonies)
Countries closest to socialism are Scandinavia and the Netherlands, especially Finland, the most progressive part of the modern world. In Denmark, if you are a homeless person and you own a dog, the dog has its own welfare (it's true).
Communism is not good for anyone in our time, if it is forced, all attempts through totalitarian rule have failed. On Kardashev's scale, true communism begins with technological singularity and transition to civilization type I (expected by year 2200).
The problem with America is that they have been ready for a socialist beginning for many years, but have preserved it's capitalist structure by constantly finding ways of maintaining shortages, and slowing down maximum technological progress (examples on how it is done in America are numerous, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies etc). A society of universal prosperity is capitalist's enemy number one, because money are made on things which are asked for and needed. Capitalism in a nutshell.
>> Social inequity is what drives innovation and productivity
US hasn't produced a decent car since 1970's, hasn't producent anything of substance in 30 years, while it brain-drains scientists from abroad. Want to see american innovation and productivity? The shopping channel, where you bought your latest automatic cat litter box.
- hedge0
"US hasn't produced a decent car since 1970's, hasn't producent anything of substance in 30 years, while it brain-drains scientists from abroad. Want to see american innovation and productivity? The shopping channel, where you bought your latest automatic cat litter box."
Oh please, take a look at some of our companies and get informed.
- THAT is the point out of the last TWO posted responses to your dreck? Very nice.locustsloth
- formed0
All about balance. There are no absolutes in anything.
People are inherently lazy and inherently greedy. Some will sacrifice for monetary gains, some won't. The majority of our world is lazy and there have does have to be large motivating factors to encourage entrepreneurship, innovation, etc., etc.
You need both ambition (greed, for lack of a better word ;-) ) and sustained stability for the economy and our country to flourish. The scales were tipped a little too far in the last years and it's left us exposed and weak.
- i agree. My response places too much faith in the human race's ability to change for the betterlocustsloth
- hedge0
Liberal Democrats are inexorably opposed to tax cuts, because tax cuts give people more power, and take away from the role of government. If Thomas Jefferson thought taxation without representation was bad, he should see how it is with representation.
Will some reporter, or some Republican on the Sunday shows, please ask why tax cuts raid the non-existent Social Security Trust Fund but all the Democrats' new spending doesn't? Will someone please ask that?
Let's get real people, no nation *ever* taxed itself into prosperity.
- 12:15 a.m.sikma
- The issue is not with tax cuts, but with who gets the breakformed
- nice verbatim rush limbaugh quote you silly fucking troll. http://www.talkabout…mrdobolina
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Who needs a tax cut when we are paying for a 3.5 billion dollar a week war in Iraq with no end in sight, so please tell Bush he can shove his annual $300- tax cut up Cheney's ass!
- hedge0
Yeah yeah, the whole "Iraq war is evil" spiel. It's so common amongst citizens of liberal cities. Cities like San Francisco, for instance.
If I'm the president of the United States, I walk right into Union Square, I set up my little presidential podium, and I say, 'Listen, citizens of San Francisco, if you vote against military recruiting, you're not going to get another nickel in federal funds. Fine. You want to be your own country? Go right ahead. And if Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead.
- Great comeback!********
- nice verbatim o reilly quote, fuckstick.
http://www.sfgate.co…mrdobolina
- Great comeback!
- omgitsacamera0
<---20mi south of San Francisco.
In your perfect world, if you were president, I would first find the next flight to Europe. You'd fuck up the country even though you think you have good intentions.
Oh and, California would do just peachy if it were it's own country. We do have Schwarzenegger (holy fuck, I spelled it right the first time for once), as the governator.
- You'd leave due to sheer shock at a flat and equal tax rate.hedge