Who Killed the Electric Car?
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- 23kon
"One of the chief murderers was the California Air Resources Board (CARB), which gutted most of the goals for zero-emission vehicles after an oil company stooge, Alan Lloyd, gained control of the board. Most electric cars were then taken back by the automakers and sent to crushers. Now that Tesla Motors is rolling cars off the production line, the CARB is taking a new tactic to penalize Telsa Motors for making clean cars. The CARB public hearing will be March 27th (tomorrow)."
(taken from a blog on mathpuzzle.com)This is SHOCKING stuff. You's americans should fight against this.
The tezla is the FIRST viable electric car that is being mass produced - and production is ramping up. This could be the start of a whole new generation of vehicles and then we can all turn round and tell the oil companies to "git tae f*ck!!!".Blog & Letter from the CEO of Tezla
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog2…Who Killed The Electric Car
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- AndyRoss0
WTF is so clean about electric cars? Generating electricity is a huge source of air pollution, acid rain, mercury emissions, etc. Plus mining coal is not exactly eco-friendly. And the batteries are a huge problem when the car's done with them...
Just because there's no tailpipe on the electric car doesn't mean it's "clean."
- i think the tezla is the first VIABLE and economical leccy vehicle
23kon - It uses 200 lithium batteries.
These cars arn't viable. They just shift where the pollution is coming from and goes. Lithium batteries are horrible for the environmentJKilla77 - batteries are horrible for the environment. The real solution is reinventing the way we travel.JKilla77
- The real answer is fusion to generate lots of cheap, clean electricity... (once they figure out how)ribit
- Already figured out. There is a fusion place in Ottawa, Canada.non
- Lithium batteries are recyclable.Mimio
- Ottawa has fusion? (shouldn't they tell someone?)ribit
- i think the tezla is the first VIABLE and economical leccy vehicle
- Spookytim0
Bottom line is, motion needs energy, and energy needs fuel, and we're still on chapter 1 "burning things for fuel". Whatever we do it will have a massive impact on the planet if we do it with the same intensity as we do oil burning. Vegetable fuels will be a massive soil and water table killer as well as needing more of the planet to grow the fuel than we can put aside. Same with all the other alternatives.
The only real answers are:
Embrace all fuel styles at once and diffuse the intensity of any one. Total source diversity. One household needs to be coal, one nuclear, one steam, one vegetable, one oil, one solar, one wind, one hydro etc etc... so that no one fuel style dominates. Localised fuel supply.
Live within the means of solar and wind power. Which would essentially be like going back to the dark ages but with weak electricity systems for communication and domestic use. Some industry could survive on the fossil fuels but largely we'd be a world of cottage industry, like Afghanistan. Like Larkrise to Candleford. YEAH!
- 23kon0
One thing that really gets on my tits is the excuses that people come up with for not allowing wind farms across an island or landscape where nobody lives is "ooo theres rare birds that come here" or "ooo its peatland". If their peat was so "precious" then they'd still be farming it!!!! and as for the birds - they'll still be on this planet a LONG time after we all kill each other off with war or pollution. get a windfarm up there!!
surely having windfarms arcoss baron landscapes is a better solution that f*cking up our world with pollution? no?- Agreed, except... what about the Speckled Peat Starling? Where will it lay its droppings?Spookytim
- former20
Energy independence is enough for me to embrace localized fuel methods. Oil could be the downfall of the world, given current world conditions, prices of oil, etc.
Anything that keeps us from relying on unstable dictators for supply is worth it, imho, clean or not.
- rtr0
I killed it sorry about that. I took it out into the desert and blew em all up.
- drgs0
this is all irrelevant because america has 2 years left
- CALLES0
he says he's innocent... but i dont believe him
GRAAAAAVVVVVEEEEEEDIGGGGGGGGGGGE...
- ********0
Ever heard of "walking"?
- detritus0
I can't be bothered digging out the articles just now, but this whole conspiracy against electric cars is pretty much bullshit - and I'm [hypocritically, admittedly] big on environmental issues. In sum though, what AndyRoss says is true - all current gen electric cars merely shift the energy generation back to central power stations, which - given that America is mostly powered by coal - isn't a great thing. Then you've got to take into account the energy loss in transmission from station to home, to vehicle.
Another big problem is that most of the energy across a vehicle's life is consumed in the manufacture of the thing in the first place, so it's a massively false economy to change over all the vehicles - we'd be much better off finding renewable, non-food-stock-sourced means of creating fuel - like, perhaps, algae thick fuel mixed with sugar cane light fuel.
Whatever though - do a bit of background reading before posting up things like "who killed the electric car" - it doesn't do the overall movement any good.
- ribit0
support fusion research
- no I have no idea how you can do that. (but it is the answer to all these problems).ribit
- ORBITAL SOLAR PLATFORMS FOR THE WIN! :)
(was it you i had this argument with last time?)detritus - yep. but fusion beats orbital solar platforms...ribit
- nuh-uh.
*rolls dice* nope - definitely not - i got a 42, times 4 exp. points.detritus - Einstein is on my teamribit
- I have Baldareon, Lord of Maulgar and 5th Archemendrite to the Blood Apostate on mine.detritus
- detritus wins.ribit
- robotron3k0
put out an APB, someone needs to stop this man... Alan Lloyd
- sikma0
i'm with detritus. the electric cars is no silver bullet.
mass transit is the only one that seems to make any sense
- ribit0
depends what you mean by mass transit.
Getting people to go to places where they can get in large boxes that take them places they don't want to go, at times they don't want to go is not the answer.
The answer is small vehicles, some rental, some private, digitally customizable, talking to each other to optimize traffic flow, able to be called up to take you where you want to go, then heading off to pickup the next passengers. Retains the benefits of personal transport, while leveraging the benefits of an integrated network of smart vehicles all talking to each other to optimize the overall transport solution for all.
- tasty0
fancy - run without the dirty feet.
- sikma0
the moment you have vehicles being manufactured for individual usage failure is unavoidable. there are just too many people. individuals are not responsible enough on their own.
- ribit0
the coolest bit of a system where cars talk to each other to work out 'who goes first', is that you can remove all the traffic lights, and all the cars just interleave through the intersections with minimal gaps...
kinda like this, but done better:
or this: http://vudeja.com/videos/RSA-WEH…
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