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- DUKIE08220
once again...no one can back up their support of Obama without attacking Hillary
I am not a Clinton (Hillary or Bill) supporter- in fact I am a republican who disagrees with her on many issues. However I do feel that her husband, a well respected man throughout much of the world, would be a great asset in helping undo some of the world's turmoil.
Hillary has reached across the aisle to work with Newt Gingrich on health care reform. http://www.realclearpolitics.com…
- DUKIE, how old are you? Serious question. Just curious if you were politically active during the 80s/90s.TheBlueOne
- 26DUKIE0822
- a 26 year old republican.
lemme guess you're white and from a suburb.mrdobolina
- mrdobolina0
and then newt gingrich stabbed her husband in his heart.
- mrdobolina0
you admit you are a republican? what the fuck does that even mean anymore... you dislike people who aren't white?
- that is an intelligent response..thanks for the insightDUKIE0822
- sorry, I dont feel the need to be cordial to republicans. What does it mean to be a republican anymore?mrdobolina
- Less jobs, more war?ukit
- ukit0
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3…
My attempt at the HRC math
by ChrisR
AL(52) 27 -25 Obama. Too southern. So discount.
AK(13) 9-4 Obama. Discount. Too Red.
AS(3) 2-1 HRC. Counts, even though not held in state.
AZ(56) 31-25 HRC. Counts, even though McCain from the state.
AR(35) 27-8 HRC. Arkansas is the birthplace of democracy.
CA(370) 202-161-7 Largest state in country. Although both will carry in November, Hillary would double plus carry the electoral votes.
CO(55) 32-13 Obama. Caucus state. Therefore, undercounts "real" Americans who are too busy to caucus. PS: Screw that open Senate seat -- can't you see we're trying to elect a President?
CT(48) 26-22 Obama. Don't you know that Obama endorsed Leiberman?
DE(15) 9-6 Obama. Too small. Also, borders a much more important Pennsylvania.
DA(7) Obama. Too foreign.
DC(15) Obama. Not a state. For crying out loud.
GA(87) 60-27 Obama. Democrats there don't really vote, they aspire.
ID(18) 15-3 Obama. Larry Craig's from there. Also, a caucus. Counting a caucus makes the terrorists win, as it disenfranchises the military.
IL(153) 104-49 Obama. You have to be kidding me.
IA(45) Obama 16-15. Caucus state. Also violated rules by voting before Michigan and Florida.
KS(32) 23-9 Obama. Caucus, red state. Also, very flat. Sebelius' son joked about prison, too.
LA(56) 34-22 Obama. Uses French law.
ME(24) 15-9 Obama. Invaded by Canadian latte sipping African Americans.
MD(70) 42-28 Obama. Too many black people.
MA(93) 55-38 HRC. Now you're talking. Take that, KERRY AND KENNEDY!!!
MN(72) 48-24 Obama. Mondale was from there. Also, a caucus, thereby disenfranchising the elderly and those who work the night shift.
MO(72) 36-36 Tie. I allow them to stay, despite the temerity of so many voters going for Obama in a swing state.
NE(24) 16-8 Obama. Caucus. Bill Nelson should just switch parties.
NV(25) 13-12 Obama. I recall it differently, so I'm changing the results to 15-10 Hillary.
NH(22) Technically, a tie, but again I'm changing the results to 15-7 HRC to reflect the massive wonderful supercomeback.
NJ(107) 59-48 Hillary. They count.
NM(26) 14-12 Hillary. They chose not to secede, but barely.
NY(232) 138-93 Hillary. Counts a great deal.
ND(13) 8-5 Obama. Caucus state. We shouldn't even field Senate candidates there.
OK(38) 24-14 HRC. Here's a tricky one. Although a red state, they are allowed to have their delegates seated because we might win this due to a massive influx of women voters who will carry the state.
SC(45) 25-12 Obama. Jesse carried this. Twice. Also, Ft. Sumpter.
TN(68) 40-28 Hillary. They're allowed to stay, if only to prevent a Gore endorsement.
UT(23) 14-9 Obama. No Ds reside in this state. They also don't drink coffee.
VA(83) 54-29 Obama. Too many black people. Also, Jim Webb isn't a real democrat.
VI(3) 3-0 Obama. They're not in the country, unlike American Samoa.
WA(78) 52-26 Obama. Latte land. Also, a caucus state and therefore chose to secede.
HI(20) 14-6 Obama. One of ten home states for Obama.
WI(74) 42-32 Obama. Although a swing state and not a caucus, discounted because Hillary didn't "try."
OH(141) 74-65. Clearly one of five states that matter. Ohio, ohio, ohio. God, don't you listen to Tim Russert?
RI(21) 13-8 Hillary. As Rhode Island goes, so goes the nation.
TX(193) 92-92. Screw this. Only count the primaries.
VT(15) 9-6 Obama. You're kidding. Freaking lefties.
WY(12) 7-5 Obama. Caucus state, which only disenfranchises people. You're about democracy, right.To my count, Hillary should win the nomination as a result of her clear, unambigious victories.
- DUKIE08220
Let me break it down for you dobs I'm
white
gay
26
from the south
live in Lowell Ma (very urban and diverse area)
have lived all over the country
dad is a cop
mom is in the coast guard
still working my way through college
...did I break down your single minded stereotypes yet- I think you need to get out more- but what does being a republican mean to you?mrdobolina
- funny how you say signle-minded stereotypes when your own party hates your gay lifestyle.mrdobolina
- so do many democrats...trust me I know plenty of mass dems who make their fair share anti gay remarksDUKIE0822
- but I guess their voting record gives them an exemptionDUKIE0822
- my efforts here are futile, have fun being persecuted and scapegoated for political gain.mrdobolina
- thanks again for your misguided insight...read a bookDUKIE0822
- answer my questions with your opinion, not pasted wikipedia entries.mrdobolina
- I gave you my opinions...you just have nothing to back yours up so you have to find ways to tear mine downDUKIE0822
- all you have done is mock me without providing any insight into your own beliefs..you know the ones formed in 86DUKIE0822
- DUKIE08220
research the foundations of the party, and what those like Ron Paul are fighting for, and you would see why I am a republican...
I think I am a bit young to give you a history lesson...I would probably be correct in assuming that you have a library somewhere in that non suburb you call home- ron paul isn't really a republican.mrdobolina
- what I mean is the party defines what being a republican is, not one guy who most people think is a crackpot.mrdobolina
- and you are wrongDUKIE0822
- what does being a republican mean to you? Cmon stand up for what you believe in.mrdobolina
- you have been swayed by t the media's attempt to lump conservatives and republicans together in the same categoryDUKIE0822
- the media from 1986? that is when I formed these opinions, young'un.mrdobolina
- DUKIE08220
I demand a smaller government, that is there to protect an individuals right according to a strict constructionist view of the United States Constitution (for example all people are created equal)...I believe in very few social programs (these programs would mostly go towards improving and providing education for the public)...I believe that one must pull themselves up and out of tough situations in order to make it in the world with very little interference from the gov't (which means bringing an end to the welfare state)...I believe the state's rights trump that of the national governments...however states can not be allowed to violate the constitution and those that do should be brought the supreme court for a correction...
- AndyRoss0
Gee, Ron Paul is against Gay rights. He doesn't think Gay couples should be allowed to adopt children, for one thing...
- mrdobolina0
sorry but "pull yerself up from your bootstraps" is outdated and archaic and does not prove to help society or the economy. yes working hard is a great way to provide but when your party ships all jobs overseas this nullifies your statement. You say republican I think you are libertarian. You know, gay sex ,smoking pot, hating taxes. You're a libertarian. Ron Paul is a libertarian on paper.
- that is because your society has become dependent on the gov't...and I am a republican, a true republicanDUKIE0822
- a true gay republican. have fun with that.mrdobolina
- another look, "my society is dependent on the govt". well I guess you are right, republicans cant govern.mrdobolina
- DUKIE08220
Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws.
Democrats fought to keep blacks in slavery and away from the polls, and they started the Ku Klux Klan to terrorize them.
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a "Keagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans.
Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.Republicans enacted civil rights laws in the 1950’s and 1960’s, over the objection of Democrats.
Republicans founded the HCBU’s and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Democrats.
Republicans pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress.
Republicans fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.
Republicans pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.
Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools.
Republican President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Democrat President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of the 1960’s.
Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
Republican and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963 March by Dr. King on Washington.- ever hear of the term "dixiecrat" or "southern strategy"? you should change your name to ctrl-vmrdobolina
- At one point the Democrats basically sucked. The Republicans suck right now.TheBlueOne
- And you conveniently stop your list at the LBJ threshold when the racism in the parties switched...TheBlueOne
- what have you done for me lately eddieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...mrdobolina
- the dixiecrats were short lived and the only person I mentioned who was actually considered themselves a memeber was sam ervin and hugo blackDUKIE0822
- were sam ervin and hugo black..oh and btw Robert KKK Byrd is still servingDUKIE0822
- look at who Bush puts in position of power...I would hardly call him a racistDUKIE0822
- Oh please.TheBlueOne
- hahaha yeah your party is all about civil rights.mrdobolina
- Katrina.TheBlueOne
- yeah look at what a great job the democratic mayor did for his city...but once again he gets a passDUKIE0822
- yeah the mayor can call in his depleted national guard serving in iraq. you fucking lose again.mrdobolina
- actually his evacuation policy was terrible, he refused to take any responsibility and like most dems was looking for a handout from the fedsDUKIE0822
- from the fed...pretty sure you lost this oneDUKIE0822
- had the proper evacuation techniques been used the majority of people would have been saved instead he let the busses sitDUKIE0822
- and while we are talking about racism, let's talk about his views on having a segregated cityDUKIE0822
- hahahaamrdobolina
- So, if it's been the Republicans who've been so great for Blacks, why do 95% of them vote for the Dems?AndyRoss
- If the Republicans are so great for the Blacks, why are so few Blacks Republicans?AndyRoss
- emukid0
how about the a new thread for all the fighting and leave this one for hillary bashing so i don't have to read over this bullshit?
thanks.
- TheBlueOne0
Dukie, so you were 10 through 18 when Clinton was Prez? Do you not recall how utterly divisive and acidic the political climate the Republicans created around Clinton (Clinton did bring some of it on himself to be certain), and how the Dems have tried to play payback (as Bush also brought it upon himself) in the last few years? Or was that just going on under your radar at that age, other than the blowjob thing?
On the sole reason of NOT continuing this assinine Boomer generation culture war that destroys political discourse in this country and fuels all this stupid Gotcha wankerism media that passes for journalism, I really would NOT prefer Clinton to be the nominee, who brings with her, along with all this vetted and vaulted experience an already present acidic and divisive opposition to any sort of agenda she might have.
- mrdobolina0
being a republican at this point is indefensible. the country is in shambles and they are talking more tax cuts, then about patriotism in the same breath, it doesn't jive.
- keep spitting out the propagandaDUKIE0822
- refute it, what are they doing to pay for and end this war?mrdobolina
- ask obama...he either votes to continue war funding or just chooses not to show up to work that dayDUKIE0822
- dodge parry thrust. answer the question you gymnast.mrdobolina
- I never said I was for the war...you just assume it because I said I was a republican
DUKIE0822 - the war is all republican, your party designed it, you own it and need to fix it,mrdobolina
- the war was "designed" by neocons...pickup a copy of the "neocon reader" it provides some pretty interesting insight into their thought processDUKIE0822
- is bush a republican or democrat?mrdobolina
- you take no responsibility for him? I was under the impression that you were the party of responsibility.mrdobolina
- and don't forget...the vote to go into Iraq was pushed through by many democrats as wellDUKIE0822
- bringing up the democrats does not exonerate the republicans who fucking designed this war. I love your style of fencing btw.mrdobolina
- dodge parry thrustmrdobolina
- you aren't asking valid questions...you are trying to smear while not having any real substance to back up your argumentsDUKIE0822
- mrdobolina0
the more I look at this thread the more I think dukie has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.
- ********0
"Earlier I wrote about Obama's delegate victory this past week despite Clinton's wins last Tuesday. My list was incomplete.
A reader passed on a full list of all the super delegates who announced the last six days their endorsements:
Obama
DNC Carol Fowler (SC), 3-4-08
Mary Long (GA), 3-4-08
Roy LaVerne Brooks (TX), 3-4-08
Rhine McLin (OH), 3-5-08
DNC Jane Kidd (GA), 3-5-08
DNC Darlena Williams-Burnett (IL), 3-5-08
DNC Connie Thurman (IN), 3-6-08
Rep. Nick Rahall (WV), 3-6-08
DNC Teresa Benitez-Thompson (NV), 3-6-08
DNC Alexandra Gallardo-Rooker (CA), 3-7-08
Rep. Bill Foster (IL), 3-9-08
DNC Mary Jo Neville (OH), 3-9-08
ClintonSen. Barbara Boxer (CA), 3-6-08
DNC Mona Mohib (DC), 3-6-08
DNC Aleita Huguenin (CA), 3-7-08
DNC Mary Lou Winters (LA), 3-8-08
So that's an 8-delegate advantage for Obama.As for the elections:
Obama Clinton
OH 66 75
RI 8 13
VT 9 6
TX 99 94
WY 7 5Total 189 193
That gives Obama a four-delegate victory since last Tuesday. Add the four delegate gain out of California after that state's vote was certified, and we're up to 8 delegates for Obama. Throw in the four delegates Clinton lost in California, and that's 12 delegates for Obama. Today we had DNC member and super delegate Everett Sanders of Mississippi endorsing Obama, so make that 13 delegates for Obama.
So officially, Obama has a 13-delegate advantage for the week even before Mississippi votes tomorrow. Throw in the unpledged delegate in Wyoming who will certainly be an Obama delegate, and unofficially, Obama notched a 14-delegate gain in this "week from hell" for him.
As that reader noted in his email to me:
In the bigger picture, HRC lead in super delegates stood at 97 one month ago today. Today her lead is only 32. HRC has gained 18 Super delegates in the past month while Senator Obama has gained 83. a month ago nearly 2 out of 3 declared super delegates were Clinton supporters now it is just over one half.
A few more "bad" weeks like this and he'll have the nomination nicely sewed up.
(Delegate information from the 2008 Democratic Convention Watch blog.)
Update: And another +2 for Obama -- he gains Joyce Brayboy of North Carolina, and if Spitzer resigns, she loses his vote. The Lt. Gov. David Patterson is a Clinton person, but he already had a vote as a DNC member. He doesn't get two votes now. So a net loss for Clinton.
Oh, and speaking of Spitzer, Clinton has already scrubbed her website of any Spitzer mentions."
- ********0
"More classiness, from one of Clinton's top surrogates, Geraldine Ferraro:
"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."
Ferraro isn't some unknown lower-level or obscure advisor, but one of her top fundraisers, member of Clinton's finance committee, and a former Democratic vice presidential nominee."
- No matter how you get at it it just tastes like ick.TheBlueOne
- TBO, I think you're missing a "D" there...AndyRoss
- ferraro, mafia moll********
- ********0
mrdobolina: Saving the world one insult at a time.
- I hate republicans, they are selfish racists.mrdobolina
- interesting considering you are the one throwing around the ignorant stereotypesDUKIE0822
- republicans for clinton, eh?mrdobolina
- never said I was for clinton I said she is a better choice than Obama- I voted for Ron PaulDUKIE0822
- Good read for both of you:
http://www.crooksand…TheBlueOne - why is she more capable? Obama has more elected service.mrdobolina
- She slept with a president. Did Obama?TheBlueOne
- is yoko ono in the beatles?mrdobolina
- TheBlueOne0
OK, after saying that their might be an Clinton-Obama ticket, and Bill out there chatting up the idea, today Hillary says "What are you talking about? We never said that..."
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl…
She's fucking delusional.
- nervous breakdown********
- they've blown whatever hopes of a legacy they might have clung to********
- nervous breakdown
- ********0
"Bowers mocks the traditional media as "lagging indicators": While they jabber on and on about how Obama has "lost control of the campaign narrative", fact is, the polls are swinging back his way.
Rasmussen:
On Monday, the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll shows-for the first time in a week--Barack Obama with a slight advantage over Hillary Clinton in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. It's Obama 46% Clinton 44%. Yesterday, Clinton was up by two points.
Gallup:
Forty-nine percent of Democratic voters nationally support Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination compared with 44% backing Hillary Clinton, giving Obama a slight but statistically significant five percentage point lead.
For the past week Clinton and Obama had been neck and neck in national Democratic support, but preferences have now returned to where they stood in late February when Gallup Poll Daily tracking found Obama consistently ahead by a 5- to 8-point margin.
This comeback for Obama started prior to his victory in the Wyoming caucuses on Saturday, March 8, thus blunting Clinton's winning streak coming off of the March 4 primaries. Obama has led Clinton on each of the individual days included in today's three-day rolling average, from March 7-9.
The tradmed is a disaster. Flipping through channels last night, I stopped at CNN where the idiot anchor (Rick Sanchez?), talking about Obama's strong internet presence, asked (paraphrased) "Is Obama cheating" because of his online organizing? His guests stared at him incredulously for a seconds while I scrambled for the remote to change the channel.
It's no wonder that the wider public is becoming more and more comfortable making decisions on their own."
- Obama's Worst Week! He only netted 14 delegates!!
http://www.dailykos.…TheBlueOne
- Obama's Worst Week! He only netted 14 delegates!!