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this is a thread in which I cut and paste infuriating stuff about the way Hillary Clinton is running her campaign. If this doesn't appeal to you, please don't read it.
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"I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold," the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.
"I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy," she said.
Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a "distinguished man with a great history of service to our country," Clinton said, "Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold. That is a critical criterion for the next Democratic nominee to deal with."
I will tell you what I know about this, though.
It's an attempt to poison the well for Barack Obama in 2008. Her goal is two-fold:
To make Obama appear as unelectable as possible to scare Superdelegates into voting for her at the convention; and
if that doesn't work, to make sure that McCain defeats Obama in November so she can run again in 2012 and scold the party with "I told you so."
"There are certain critical issues that voters always look to in a general election. National security experience (and) the qualifications to be commander-in-chief are front and center. They always have been. They always will be," she said.She said she and McCain had traveled to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan together as she repeated a line that surfaced from the campaign trail. She and McCain "bring a lifetime of experience to the campaign, Clinton said, while "Sen. Obama will bring a speech he gave in 2002," stating his opposition to the Iraq war as an Illinois state senator.
Folks, for 2008, Hillary Clinton has one overriding goal:
Prevent Barack Obama from winning the White House.
If that means she wins, great. But, if that means handing the White House to the Republican and John McCain, that's also acceptable. Because, after all, there's always 2012.
Her worst case scenario is Barack Obama defeating her close friend and ally, John McCain.
She has crossed a threshold.
Not the "Commander in chief threshold."
She's crossed the "Joe Lieberman Threshold" by campaigning on behalf of the Republican nominee for President.
- All these things are given the lie to by the fact that both McCain and Hillary were wrong on Iraq. And Iran nuclear plans...AndyRoss
- Very true about how she sounds like a flak for McCain!!AndyRoss
- does anyone ever consider that maybe we should concentrate less on national security and more on our own societal problems (or does everyone think everyone wants to kill americans?)dan5382
- Llyod0
slinging too much mud makes one seem less presidential. the trick is to let second and third parties do that.
- daveFelton0
"I'm a crazy bitch."
-Hilary Clinton, date of quote unknown
- Jaline0
I'm still on the fence, but you know there is something strange when you can't find anything wrong about a person.
- ukit0
http://digg.com/2008_us_election…
Jennifer Flowers to auction phone sex tapes with Bill to the highest bidder.
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Ms. Clinton, you are not a victim--nor are you a champion of beleaguered women's rights.
When you jumped ahead of far more deserving women like Barbara Boxer to run for president, simply on the basis of having been First Lady, you were not a victim, but rather a setback for the millions of deserving women who make their way on their own names rather than those of their husbands.
When you and your husband claimed that the entire Lewinsky scandal was the product of a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, you were not victims.
When you and your husband created a crack team to tamp down any bimbo eruptions and silence Bill's former girlfriends, you were not victims--and certainly not champions of oppressed women.
When you crushed the hopes and dreams of millions of Americans--including a large number of minority women--with welfare "reform" and neoliberal trade policies just to secure a few more white conservative and corporatist votes, you were not victims.
When you and your husband helped create and chair the most effective group in destroying the Democratic Party from within, all to ensure the election and influence of more southern, white, conservative men in the Democratic Party, you were neither victims nor champions of the oppressed in America.
When you elbowed out other deserving Democrats to run for New York Senate despite not being from New York, and used your influence with your husband to trade four corrupt pardons for votes in a community where women are to be unseen and unheard, you were not a victim, nor a proponent of women's rights in chauvinist, fundamentalist communities.
When you chose to use your position of influence within the Democratic Party to vote to allow Bush to send thousands of young women and men to die in the sands of Iraq and create widows and orphans of countless Iraqi mothers and children, simply so that you could look "tougher" on national security, you were not a victim.
When you inexplicably voted for Kyl-Lieberman to allow Dick Cheney to create even more widows and orphans by bombing Iran, you were not a victim.
When you spent much of the rest of your time as Senator censoring videogames and sponoring flag-burning amendments, you were not a victim.
When you used your name recognition as First Lady and wide variety of favors owed you and your husband to take the Democratic Establishment and jump to 30-point national poll leads early in this nominating contest, you were not a victim.
When you took advantage of anti-African-American sentiment in the Hispanic community to "earn" vast percentages of their votes in spite of you and your husband's having done almost nothing substantive for their communities and allowing Bush to rack up between 39% to 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004, you were not a victim.
When you and your husband did everything in your power to make Obama the Jesse Jackson candidate, you were neither victims nor advocates of the oppressed in the United States of America.
When Fortune magazine said that business loves you, you were not a victim, but a corporate insider.
When you hired the biggest union-busting asshole this side of the Democratic Party to run your campaign and its message, you were not a victim.
When you used the corrupt Nevada machine to cheat and suppress votes in over 1600 instances in the Nevada caucuses, you were not a victim.
When you doctored Obama's face to make his skin darker and his nose wider in an attack ad, you were not a victim.
When you used a kitchen sink strategy to trash Obama in any way possible even as he ran a high-ground campaign, no matter the cost to the Democratic Party, you were not a victim.
When you endorsed the misogynist-backed, warmongering Republican nominee over Obama based on the distorted notion that you both have more "experience", you were not a victim.
When you used fearmongering tactics in the worst tradition of political advertisements, you were not a victim.
When you not only supported the death of the American Rust Belt with NAFTA, but then attempted to say were against it even as you took credit for all the other events of your husband's presidency, then assured the Canadians that you really did love NAFTA after all, and then lied and accused the Obama campaign of having done what you did, you were not a victim, but a lying, disgusting cheat.
When you used fearmongering and potentially racist coding by accusing your opponent of not having been "vetted", in spite of your campaign having raked him over the coals for anything and everything you could, you were not a victim.
When you reserve the right to overturn the will of the majority of voters and pledged delegates to steal the nomination with insider superdelegates, you are not a victim.
And now that you are lying by saying that you're just too busy to release your tax records before April 15, all while claiming that your opponent isn't sufficiently vetted, you are NOT a victim.
You and your husband are masters of making vicious attacks and engaging in scurrilous behavior, all while painting yourselves as victims of an anti-Clinton bias or even conspiracy. You are not victims; you are perpetrators. You are not advocates for the battered and under-represented; you are the batterers. You are not the ones standing up for the oppressed; you are the oppressors.
And if you do manage to steal this nomination from a campaign of Hope that will almost assuredly have more pledged delegates and votes by the time it's all over, no one will fall for your claims of victimization when all the mistakes you made during the primary campaign get repeated in a disastrous campaign against John McCain. Many of us Democrats fell for your victim line during the 90s; we will not do so again.
It is high time that you suffered the slings and arrows of the same abusive tactics that you yourselves have been the masters of. And this time, no one will be crying for you but yourselves.
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- You should send all this to the Obama camp! It's good stump-speech copy!AndyRoss
- this should have quotes around it--I cut and pasted it
- mrdobolina0
I like this randd guy.
- vanilla_cam0
cheers to you sir.
- BonSeff0
randd is slating this fucker
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I am disgusted and outraged almost beyond comprehension... if she manages to pull this off I'm out for good
- If she wins, the African-Americans will never vote for another Democrat forever and ever. They'll stay home.AndyRoss
- TheBlueOne0
An Open Letter to Certain People I Knew Back in the 1990's:
OK, I finally get it. Keep in mind I still despise Newt Gingrich and all the Republicans and will probably never, ever in my life vote Republican. That said, I finally get it.
The Clintons indeed ARE superficial, triangulating, two-faced, scorched earth, meglomaniacal assholes. I defended them I defended Hillary back then.
I was wrong. You were rirght.
I finally see the light. Still think the whole blowjob impeachment thing was a systemic abuse of our system, and the Whitewater investigation a wirch hunt, but I finally get it.
They suck. They fucked this country and paved the way for even more fucking by Bush Cheney. There's not much difference between their approach to governing.
Hillary sucks. The way she threw Obama under rthe wheels of the McCain straight talk bus or whatever it is just reeked. There is no no no no way I'd vote for her if her little scorched earth policy against Obama works. I want Bush out because I hate the way he has trashed the goverment, and trashed the Constiution. I have an expectation that Obama would try to right that ship. I KNOW you will use all the extra-constitutional crap that Bush created and use them for your own administration. I also know Hillary, yo bring huge amounts of baggage with you that will insure that all your so called progressive goals will, will, will NOT happen. You bring a readymade and acidic opposition with you before you do anything on that mythical first day when you're ready.
Hillary you suck.
- Besides a Hillary presidency will keep Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter in drug money,and I hate those fucks.TheBlueOne
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- +1AndyRoss
- I actually wrote "systemic abuse of the system". Ha. That was silly...TheBlueOne
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I've come to have so little respect for the Clintons that even if Obama was dumb enough to accept a vice presidential nod I wouldn't vote for her
- not going to happen. obama ain't in it for vp.TheBlueOne
- emukid0
pennsylvania its all in your hands
- TheBlueOne0
No Florida will figure a way to count and somehow a bunch of senior citizens, alligator farmers and cuban exiles will control the fate of the US of A.
- rainman0
Randd... I think we need to start our own smear campaign... online... you definitely sound passionate about this.. as do I and several others. Sure it wouldn't take much... maybe a couple chain emails... a website... some promotional materials. We have all this talent in one location. We should do something rather than bitch about it in the background.
- after ohio, you owe it to us man. do the right thing.emukid
- ok... enough of the blaming... getting old.rainman
- i wouldnt blame anyone else. i live in arizona, ffs!emukid
- There already is a smear center of Clinton on the internet. It's called Daily Kos.TheBlueOne
- AndyRoss0
Let's not panic. If Obama is the guy I think he is, he'll figure out a way to strap her to the pillory and beat her and McCain until the cows come home.
He has at least a $20 million advantage going in to Pennsylvania. And you know what they say, "There are two things that are important in politics. One is money. And I forget what the second one is..."
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and now canada reveals that it was the clinton campaign, not obama, who said to take their anti-nafta rhetoric with a grain of salt
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- ukit0
- It makes me laugh when people cover the same, weird-ass stories as Hillary's people do. Everyone seems to be the same.Jaline
- same.Jaline
- "All strong women have to be lesbians".
On a diff. note, I once had a friend named "Huma".Jaline - friend named "Huma". She turned out to be a traitorous bitch. Watch out!Jaline
- I don't care if she's a lesbian! I care that she's a psychopath!********
