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- flashbender0
^ This story that she is making up is reason enough to not vote for her. And the sentence she uses "... I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anyone else" That phrase is just awkward and sounds like a lie - which it is - because she has to distort the truth so she can't just say "More people voted for me" because that shit isn't true.
So awesome though. You go, girl, keep fighting until the convention. You can do it!
- emukid0
every time she opens her mouth my revulsion for her increases. i didn't think i would ever be able to come to the point where mccain would begin to look like a better candidate than her. that is perhaps because mccain has mostly been quiet. as soon as he starts talking, i'll probably have a similar allergic reaction.
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"Yesterday, Hillary Clinton lied with a straight face to the American people by falsely claiming she was ahead in the popular vote.
This lie has been amplified by the Hillary insider elitists, led by Terry McAuliffe, and the fringe 1% of naive, Kool Aid, Cultists, led by the no integrity mydd crowd, who have unveiled Hillary's plan to steal the nomination from Barack Obama even if Obama wins in North Carolina, Indiana, Oregon, Montana and South Dakota. This is unacceptable and Hillary should be shamed for her lack of moral character and her dishonesty.
All us "naive" folks are somehow well aware that Obama and Clinton agreed to adhere to a set of rules back in 2007. In fact Hillary pledged to abide by them. As far as I am concerned, the only way I would be willing to change those rules is by mutual consent of both parties. Keep in mind that I would be amenable to many scenarios which would be advantageous to Hillary.
Hillary's surrogates, and Hillary herself, still seek to change those rules despite the fact that she agreed to them. This is why I went from admiring her to pitying her in so short a time span. Unlike conservatives, my moral compass doesn't permit lying by one but condemn lying by another merely because I like or dislike a person's politics. Hillary Clinton may vote like I want her too 80-90% of the time and if given the choice between a liar like Hillary and a right wing liar like John McCain I'll hold my nose and vote for the lesser evil but a liar is still a liar.
The outrageous Hilllary argument goes as follows:
Continue to falsely claim that Hillary has won all the "important swing states." This argument is both inaccurate and flawed.
The argument is inaccurate because Obama has won just as many "important swing states" including Missouri, Wisconsin, Colorado, Iowa, Virginia, and Minnesota. I would also argue that North Carolina, Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Indiana may very well be swing states in November.The argument is flawed because just because you win a primary does not mean you would win that state in the general election. Thus, I think it is safe to say that Obama would win New York in the general against McCain even though he lost the primary. I also think it is safe to say that Clinton would win Illinois over McCain in the general even though she lost the primary. This argument is without merit since it fails to take into account independents, moderate Republicans, and Democratic voters who choose not to participate in the primaries but will participate in the general election.
The flawed "important states" + "electability" + "swing state" arguments will be combined with a blatant lie now being perpetuated by the Kool Aid cultists and Hillary's elitist insiders. The big lie is that Hillary is ahead of Obama in the popular vote. To promote this lie, the Kool Aid cultists have done the following:
a) Refused to count caucus voters accurately in the popular vote and in the case of four states, totally exclude their vote altogether;
b) Added totals from Florida even though both parties agreed not to campaign there under the rules they agreed to; and
c) Now decided to add several hundred thousand votes from Michigan to Hillary's total even though Obama's name was not on the ballot and Hillary barely defeated that underfunded candidate known as "Uncommitted."The bottom line is that the rules call for delegates and notwithstanding that Obama is way ahead in the popular vote and way ahead in pledged delegates, the Clinton camp still wants to change the rules. This is despicable, loathsome, and deplorable.
If Hillary wants to win fair and square, she should go out and win every state remaining by the 70% margin she needs to take the delegate lead. Otherwise, when the last primary is finished, she needs to graciously concede defeat and work her rear end off ensuring that her supporters go to the polls for Obama. (And should she do this, she will have earned the right to be the first Female Senate Majority Leader in American history.)
I respect Hillary's right to stay in the race since this is her call. but I do not respect her tactics."
- Bravo. Everything I have been thinking is in that post.mg33
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- BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAvrmbr
- mg330
Grrrr!!!! I wish she would just fuck off already!
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"the belt sander"
- mg330
Seriously!
I just watched her speech from Indiana yesterday. I am so motherfucking sick, SICK! of the "you need a candidate who doesn't just give speeches, a president who will roll up HER sleeves..."
WTF@!!@!@!!@!@!@!@@ All either one of them are doing is give speeches!!!!!! Neither of them are doing any work right now as if they were a president!!!!!!
If anything, we should be thanking Obama for not promising the damn moon on a plate like she does. I'm gonna get the cops called on me one of these days for screaming at the TV I swear it.
- I just finally got to the point of numbness. I tuned out. Obama will be the nominee so I'll ignore the BS until then.jellyneck
- If she rolls up her sleeves, will she have those gelatinous flabby middle aged woman arms? Ew?TheBlueOne
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I was drinking coffee with two friends, Sunday AM, as we do weekly, well most weeks and one, a reporter, was saying that the issue really is one between "experience" and " transformation" additionally, he said whatever arguments Obama uses for her to get out of the race are essentially the same for her staying in.
Finally, he said the hillary has a good rep in the Armed Sevices Committee and that while she isn't very deep or creative she would probably be alot like Herbert Walker Bush in her foreign policty.
I said: Sam Nunn endorses Obama. She toed the admin line of Iraq and made the wrong call despite her "experience" and finally watching her husband triangulate with dick morris isn't experience its passivity once removed. Power is about calculation, leadership is about doing the right thing.
Then, a woman sat down next table wearing a Hillary cap who said I'm a lawyer working for her campaign and she's is really an inspiration, she'll make a great president. Oh fuck if I nearly upchucked. She and her husband are Nixonian said the reporter. That shut her up.
But soon she left replaced by an elderly couple one wearing an Obama pin.
Steamed at 8;30 in the morning. Thank you and fuck you candy.- the elderly woman wearing the Obama winked at me. hott!********
- that blog is hottt!********
- let the record show: I'm no sureshot********
- the elderly woman wearing the Obama winked at me. hott!
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"Tonight a sure to be sensation hit the net in the New Yorker Magazine with these money quotes
every story has seemed to reinforce an image of Clinton as a sort of ill-tempered coot driven a little mad by Obama’s success. “I think this campaign has enraged him,” the adviser told me. “He doesn’t like Obama.” In private conversations, he has been dismissive of his wife’s rival. James Clyburn, an African-American congressman from South Carolina, told me that Clinton called him in the middle of the night after Obama won that state’s primary and raged at him for fifty minutes.
FIFTY???
Is there any wonder where the acrimony comes from? For Bill Clinton, this has stopped being about Politics some time ago and has since become deeply personal. He's outright insulted by Barack's painting his years in office as contributing to the overall trouble in our economy (back to back bubbles certainly started with Bill & Greenspan)
Obama has been arguing that the country’s economic troubles are as much Clinton’s fault as Bush’s—he blames Clinton-era deregulation of the telecommunications and banking industries—and he implicitly accuses Bill Clinton of surrendering to special interests. “The problems we face go beyond any single Administration,” Obama told one labor audience. “For far too long, through both Democratic and Republican Administrations, the system has been rigged against everyday Americans by the lobbyists that Wall Street uses to get its way.”
This article really look deep underneath the surface of what's motivating Hillary and Bill to remain in the race. One's left wondering, Are they doing this for the Good of the Party? For the Good of the Country? Or to simply save Face?
Bill's made it way too personal. Let's hope this all ends very very soon."
- middle of the night? famous 3 am perhaps?********
- in the old days Former presidents would mediate party disputes. Carter is a nutjob and clinton is elvisifying********
- Dean is saying politely he wants delegates accounted for by the first of june********
- well as long as he is polite about it, I'm sure everyone will comply********
- middle of the night? famous 3 am perhaps?
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"The Boston Globe, yesterday Sunday April 27, 2008, dropped the bomb :
No one who talks about "obliterating", incinerating this is, millions of innocent children, women and men with nuclear weapons should be answering the Red Phone "at any time of day or night".
Period.
This is huge.
On Saturday April 19th, 2008, a few days after Clinton's "obliterate" remarks I wrote a Daily Kos post entitled MoveOn Bashing, Nuclear WarTalk... CLINTON is a NEOCON and I seem to have been right on the money : I guess uber-NeoCon Bill Kristol really liked Clinton's talk on obliterating millions with nuclear weapons, because Kristol just wrote a glowing op-ed in support of Hilary Clinton's candidacy
Boston Globe editorial, April 27 2008
...there are some red lines that should never be crossed. Clinton did so Tuesday morning, the day of the Pennsylvania primary, when she told ABC's "Good Morning America" that, if she were president, she would "totally obliterate" Iran if Iran attacked Israel.
This foolish and dangerous threat was muted in domestic media coverage. But it reverberated in headlines around the world...
Lord Mark Malloch-Brown, said... 'it is probably not prudent in today's world to threaten to obliterate any other country and in many cases civilians resident in such a country'...
...A presidential candidate who lightly commits to obliterating Iran - and, presumably, all the children, parents, and grandparents in Iran - should not be answering the White House phone at any time of day or night."
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"Meet The Press" Crowd Aghast at Clinton's "Nuclear Umbrella"
My post that day, on the one I wrote the previous day, were inspired and informed by conversations with George E. Lowe...
George Lowe, has told me it was his lot to gaurd one of the "Red Phones", in Paris during the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis - perhaps the closest brush the world has had yet with Nuclear War. Lowe thought Clinton's statements were bizzarre. After the Cuban Missile Crisis ended, George Lowe [pronounced one would "Cow"] went off to write a book on nuclear deterrence ("Nuclear Deterrence", Little Brown 1964) and he also wrote several award winning papers on the subject.
Lowe has told me that he stopped writing on nuclear deterrence decades ago but now he's horrified that the same sorts of ideas that nearly led to nuclear obliteration decades ago have now recrudesced...
And, those ideas are coming from the mouth of a Democrat."
- from the mouth of a Democrat... mistake to frame as partisan issue. its bad judgement period.********
- from the mouth of a Democrat... mistake to frame as partisan issue. its bad judgement period.
- monkeyshine0
Ya'll aren't going to like this one bit.
WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton has a better chance than Barack Obama of beating Republican John McCain, according to a new Associated Press-Ipsos poll that bolsters her argument that she is more electable in the fall than her rival for the Democratic nomination.
The survey released Monday gives Clinton a fresh talking point as she works to convince pivotal undecided superdelegates to side with her in the drawn-out Democratic primary fight.
Clinton, who won the Pennsylvania primary last week, has gained ground this month in a hypothetical head-to-head match up with the GOP nominee-in-waiting; she now leads McCain, 50 percent to 41 percent, while Obama remains virtually tied with McCain, 46 percent to 44 percent.
- As if I give a shit what MSM wants anymore. That dog don't hunt, y'all.********
- I'm far too bitter to give a shit********
- what's MSM?monkeyshine
- Main Stream MediaTheBlueOne
- As if I give a shit what MSM wants anymore. That dog don't hunt, y'all.
- TheBlueOne0
- Who the fuck dresses her?TheBlueOne
- late elvis jumpsuits********
- But it looks like it's made form a quilt...TheBlueOne
- commie outfit!!vrmbr
- the quilted part makes her cuddlier.flashbender
- TheBlueOne0
"Obama's campaign has disavowed Wright's media tour,
and a correspondent notes an interesting detail:Wright was invited to the National Press Club by a
journalist and minister who supports Clinton.The Tribune reports that Wright was invited by Barbara
Reynolds, a former USA Today editorial board member
who has written on personal blog of her support for
Clinton.I don't mean to suggest some kind of plot. Her agenda
here seems to have been the same as Wright's: To
protect the minister's reputation from, among others,
Obama."[I]t is a sad testimony that to protect his
credentials as a unifier above the fray the Senator is
fueling the media characterization that Rev. Dr.
Wright is some retiring old uncle in the church
basement instead of respecting Wright for the towering
astute father of progressive social and global causes
that he is," Reynolds wrote in March.Reynolds' is well placed to defend Wright. Her bio
says she teaches "prophetic ministry and the media" at
Howard University's divinity school."- http://www.politico.…TheBlueOne
- sideshow********
- The media is making it the main event. Obama is bleeding whites. The fix is in.TheBlueOne
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Hillary Clinton: A Loving Tribute
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Hill'ry conveys her special brand of warmth and support to a young volunteer staff member.
- *pokes out eyes
*jumps out of windowvrmbr - WHERE THE FUCK IS MY NOMINATION?!?!?!?!flashbender
- YOU GO FIND THAT NOMINATION RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!!!flashbender
- Will someone PLEASE use that face to make a spoof of the Sheppard Fairey Obama prints?mg33
- With captions like RAGE, or FURY, or, MADNESS!mg33
- *pokes out eyes
- Drno0
seriously, the way I see it,
hillary knows that she can't win, but will drag the entire democratic party inside the black hole with her,I feel stupid that even my 12yo sister can understand whats going on with the deceptions and lies, but some mature supporters just won't acknowledge that she's on a suicidal mission
- Through the eyes of babes, or something like that...TheBlueOne
- vrmbr0
i rather see McCain win than Hillary
- that is stupidity. seriously.monkeyshine
- I rather see Nader win than either of those tools. Fuck, I'd rather see Ron Paul win,.,TheBlueOne
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Hillary is so obsessed with making history she will do it at the cost of the Democratic party. Yay, we are going to get another rich war mongering clueless rich old white man running the country....
...again.
...and the cycle continues.
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this is a coup on the scale of Bush vs Gore