iPhone vs Flash
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- ********0
She is rather cute.
- chaimelimeliah0
could have been real real neat
- maximillion_0
why does it need to be a day-to-day basis mike? flash is great for adding brand value with microsites, virals etc and most of the ad agencies use it because of the available scope. If their demographics/brand didnt benefit from it do you think they would still be spending so much on it.
loads of kids games are developed in it and they can be hugely popular - so for kids there is a day-to-day benefit for them. Sites like last.fm are use it to play mp3s/ manage playlists and their users benefit from it day-to-day.
- ********0
"Apple and Microsoft's Flash dance: What does Microsoft see in Adobe Flash that Apple doesn't?" ["Asked at the March 4 shareholders meeting when Apple planned to bring Flash to its mobile Web browsers, Jobs said that the PC version of Flash 'performs too slow to be useful,' and that Flash Lite 'is not capable of being used with the Web.' That's not quite right. Adobe points out that there are more than 450 million Flash-equipped mobile handsets shipped worldwide, a number that it expects to grow to 1 billion by 2010."
- moldero0
I can deal with no flash for my iphone if I can get my iphone to open my garage door, hell it does everything else!
- ********0
I'm getting an iPhone tomorrow. If flash is added, do you guys think it will be a hardware upgrade? Or is that something more along the lines of a software update? I lost my phone in Vegas a couple nights ago and can't wait (literally) to get a phone.
- Meeklo0
What???
Flash is coming to the iphone?
but didn't flash diead a few weeks ago??!!
- ********0
Apple CEO Steve Jobs may think Flash is junk but Adobe says it’s creating a media player for the iPhone anyway using the software tools Apple just released for third-party use.
Once built, Adobe intends to distribute the thing through Apple’s iTunes store, according to what Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen told Wall Street when Adobe released its quarterly results.
“Flash is synonymous with the Internet experience,” he said. “So we are committed to bringing the Flash experience to the iPhone, and we will work with Apple.”
He said the company has evaluated the iPhone SDK and “We can now start to develop the Flash player ourselves, and we think it benefits our joint customers so we want to work with Apple to bring that capability to the device.”
How Adobe’s going to entice Apple to work with it when Jobs thinks Flash is too slow on the iPhone and Flash Lite is useless is anybody’s guess.
As a matter of fact, Cnet says it can’t be done because Flash is a plug-in that would have to work closely with iPhone’s Safari browser and third-party developers can’t do that without Apple’s blessing.
Ditto on selling the thing at the App Store.
So now Adobe is backtracking and saying it can start to develop a way to get Flash Player on the iPhone but “to bring the full capabilities of Flash to the iPhone web-browsing experience we do need to work with apple beyond and above what is available through the SDK and the current license around it.”
So for the time being Adobe will apparently have to content itself with the 100 million new cell phones that were sold in its first quarter with Flash on board and with Microsoft’s license to the technology for its smartphone widgetry.
Adobe’s results, by the way, beat Wall Street estimates and the company shrugged off concerns with the economy.
It earned $219.4 million, or 38 cents a share, on revenues up 37% to $890.4 million. Adobe credited Creative Suite 3 with sales in its unit up 57% to $543.5 million.
Published Mar. 20, 2008 — Reads 1,993
Copyright © 2008 SYS-CON Media. All Rights Reserved.- Why is Cnet assuming Apple doesn't WANT Flash on the phone? They only said they can't get it to work now so they won't develop for it.CyBrain
- kult0
"AJAX will kill it in 5 years." (Flash)
When people say stuff like this, I sometimes wonder if they ever stop and read what they actually wrote.. before hitting the "Broadcast" button.
This just in: Maple syrup will kill object-oriented programming in our lifetime.
- ********0
Adobe Finally Takes On Apple, Google In Mobile
Hank Williams | May 1, 2008 10:53 AM
Today Adobe announced a new hugely important strategic initiative regarding the Flash Player called the Open Screen Project. The upshot: It's finally ready to start competing with Google and Apple for mobile platform developers.There are three keys to the announcement. First Adobe (ADBE) is removing all licensing restrictions and fees for the Flash Player and the SWF file format that the player runs. OEMs will now be able to embed Flash at no additional cost and with no restrictions.
Second, the next version of the Flash Player and the AIR runtime will have two separate parts. The layer that is platform specific will be separate from the layer that is the real brains of the Flash system. This means that it will be easy to embed the Flash player any new non-PC device offering. All you will have to do is port the platform specific layer to your device. And Adobe will be providing a reference implementation so that you can see exactly how to do it, presumably just making minor changes related to the specifics of your platform.
And finally, the next version of the Flash Player will be the same across all devices. This means that you will be able to use Flex, Flexbuilder, and Thermo to build applications that run on mobile and embedded devices. This will *radically* simplify the process of making applications that run on mobile devices. It really is, essentially *the* next generation mobile operating system.
It's not an OS in the traditional sense. That will continue to be some form of Unix, or more generally,Linux. But the Flash platform will become the premier application development target for devices.
This is a direct shot across the bow of both Apple (AAPL) with the iPhone and Google (GOOG) with Android. Adobe has far more 3rd-party developers than Apple does with Mac OS/iPhone or Google does with Android, and if they can make it totally seamless to develop for desktop or mobile, it will radically change the dynamics of the business. Presumably Adobe will be able to port this next version of Flash to the iPhone as well, though the politics of that will be interesting given Steve Jobs' antipathy for Flash.
From a business perspective, Adobe seems to have everyone onboard that matters including Nokia, Motorola, Sony Ericsson, Qualcomm, Samsung, Intel, and lots of others. Now that Flash is free and presumably easy to embed, it instantly becomes the mobile and embedded software platform to beat.
SAI Contributor Hank Williams is a New York-based entrepreneur. He writes Why Does Everything Suck? Exploring the tech marketplace from 10,000 feet.
- case20000
I would probably be using a MAC right now if Apple had had better support for Flash from the get-go. My first internship was with a webdesign firm that had just completed the transition from Macs to PCs - I recall being astonished at the time that you could even get Photoshop to run on a PC. They explained to be that Flash (5) just didn't work as well on Macs... and that became a common theme... maybe Macromedia just never put as much emphasis on optimizing the player and IDE?
I was wondering if Apple might start to take it more seriously once it became Adobe Flash...
and while we're on the subject - how does youtube on the iphone work???? The ubiquity of flash video is another good selling point for flash, but they've obviously found a way around that?
I'll be holding out for the 5th or 6th generation iphone. I want to able to put all 50 Gigs of crap on it at one, and I want:
stage.addEventListener(TouchEven... stageMultiHandler);
- ernexbcn0
Ajax won't kill Flash, but I don't see what's the problem with the iPhone not having Flash, besides, most webs won't work even if the iPhone had a Flash plug-in in it, basically because of computing power, the iPhone would just play flash sluggish and would be a non pleasant experience.
Not many years ago watching Flash content on Macs was gruesome, imagine on the puny processor of the iPhone, oh, and you would run out of battery quickly.
- utopian0
Steve Jobs is trying his hardest to push Quicktime up are asses!
and it still blows as much as the Windows Media Player.He will always resist Flash because Apple does not own it, it is the same exact song that Microsoft sings with its app. And will also eventually be the downfall of Apple!
- fyoucher10
Or...could this be the end of the iPhone...
- rafalski0
The biggest problem with Flash is bad browser integration. The experience of using a full Flash site is different from having a full html site. No control over links, no "open in new tab", etc.
- ********0
Today the WWDC is almost reaching its end and we haven’t seen any news announcement from Adobe regarding Flash development for the iphone. Whatever happened is very strange because this is the event where Adobe could get more buzz if anything from them was shown. Adobe and Apple are having a matrimonial rupture, when they are not fighting, they are collaborating killing bugs on their applications.
Maybe Adobe is holding off the announcement for a more Adobe Centric Event or they are more concentrated in its new Adobe Media Player or its recently launched Acrobat Portal. Anyway the iPhone hasn’t needed Flash to bright and while I consider it a Plus, it seems that is not in Apple interest to help Adodbe port it to their Mobile Plaftorm. Let’s hope for a day when the iPhone Flashes in Adobe’s eyes.
Adobe can port all its mobile development platform to the iPhone and become the premier supplier of Enterprise Mobile Applications, rich AIR applications from Adobe can make even more appealing to business customers worldwide, doing so, both Apple and Adobe can monetize the device’s applications.
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- Mr1000
Funny, those two used to be so locked in it seemed like they were almost the same company. Does the fighting stem from the Intel processor debacle? I am still using CS2 on a Quad-Core Intel Xeon and it is nothing if not depressing.
- ernexbcn0
Flash will eventually show up on the iPhone or any capable device in the near future, it's just a matter of waiting a few more revisions and that the mobile CPUs and battery consumption improves.
Right now I don't see the benefit of having Flash on the iPhone besides maybe to support only video. Imagine a big ass site that almost crawls on a desktop computer running on a cellphone.
The resizing of the page is also a big concern, another fact is the iPhone doesn't have a hover action, in fact any hovers you have on javascript or CSS get converted to onclicks on mobile safari.
We'll get there, but I don't miss Flash at all on the iPhone.