iPhone vs Flash
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- creative-0
I'm not really sure it matters just yet. To put Flash on the iPhone would cripple it and be a detriment to the user experience. Eventually technological advances will allow it to be possible. I think Steve has more important things to sort out on the iPhone like 3G and MMS before he worries about making half a dozen Flash sites available.
- Over 450 million devices worldwide use Flash technology, with figures expected to double within the next two years.fractionofawhole
- Meeklo0
Man, flash is now more in demand than ever, ever ever before..
with the growth of video streaming on-line, no conflicts between media players, or platforms. Now sites like vimeo supporting HD video streaming.. I don't think flash is going away soon. Yes Apple found a way yo include youtube on the iphone, but the iphone numbers are so small not only mobile device area but more important in the internet "browser's devices" area. I think its safe to say that if iphone doesn't support flash, someone else will soon and they are going to be out of the market unless they step up their game.- yeah i hope your right. Im just getting into Flash.********
- so.. you were serious then?Meeklo
- yeah i hope your right. Im just getting into Flash.
- Point50
I agree that Flash has established a strong foothold in the interwebz, but I honestly could care less if the iPhone supports it or not. If some other comparable device comes along and supports Flash and kills the iPhone then I'll just move along. I like my iPhone, but I got along pretty damn well without it before it launched and if something better comes along then I'll bandwagon on that when the time comes.
- ********0
If flash went away tomorrow I doubt I'd miss it. The only time I look at flash seems to be when I click on sites on QBN or look at designers' portfolios. I can't actually think of ANY sites that I use on a frequent basis that actually use it or rely on it - except for showing me shit ads.
Also, so many years down the line, with in increasing download speeds, and flash developers STILL seem to make me wait for shit. I don't wanna fucking wait. I want it here, and I want it now. While the rest of the internet presses on - getting lighter, quicker, open.... flash just sits there getting fatter.
AJAX will kill it in 5 years.
- Don't blame the technology for the designer/developers faults.fractionofawhole
- no internet vids for you then mikemaximillion_
- Wow, that was some serious sphinctertalk.CyBrain
- no internet vids? beside youtube, vimeo, dailymotion, etc...spifflink
- fractionofawhole0
The iPhone doesn't have the ability to kill Flash. More than 450 million devices worldwide use Flash technology and that number is expected to double in the next 2 years.
As for AJAX killing Flash that's just as laughable as saying the iPhone will. AJAX isn't new, it's been around for years, it just happens that someone put a nice buzz word to it and poof all of a sudden it's popular. AJAX isn't even comparable to Flash, what I think you probably meant was a Javascript Framework like MooTools, Prototype, Scriptaculous, etc. which have the capabilities to do a few things that are similar to Flash (excuse me if my assumption is wrong, not trying to make an ass out of u and me) . And no, none of those are going to kill Flash either as they too have been around for years and still not affected the demand for Flash.
I'm all for using web standards, but it doesn't mean I'm going to stop developing Flash sites/applications as well. There is a time and place for everything. To claim that any small piece of technology be it the iPhone, AJAX, JS Frameworks, Silverlight, etc. which just happens to be hot for the time being (Silverlight excluded here) is going to kill a technology giant like Flash is just silly. More likely any individual who thinks this has some personal dislike of Flash and would like to see it gone.
Another point is a lot of people seem to blame a lot of their dislikes about Flash on the technology itself when in fact it's more the designer/developers fault. Flash is an incredible piece of technology that when placed in the wrong hands can make for a horrible user experience. Just make sure you point the finger correctly.
- jpea0
I don't know of any iphone users that use their phone as their main means of browsing the web. It's a utility device for browsing, so generally, since many flash sites don't fit as a pure utilitarian experience, I don't think it'll matter. The only thing I can think of where Flash is used in that manner is video and audio playback. Other than that, it's usually for experiential usage, something you'd probably not want do anyway on your 480x320 pixel screen.
- rafalski0
Apple has just released the SDK. There will be games.
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/03/06/i…
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/…
http://www.macworld.com/article/…
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/20…
- The_CCG0
I can tell of one personal experience, as a designer working mostly in Flash, that has been a point of strife between client and myself.
This particular project predated the release of the iPhone, by mere weeks (from the time we started). Not having an iPhone at the time (since they weren't released yet), or not having purchased one since, I wasn't aware of the limitations. 6-8 months later, said client comes back angry that she (or her reps) wasn't able to show the site remotely on the iPhone. There was as sense I duped her. We've been awaiting the release of the SDK to determine what the solution will be. Looks like it's a HTML site... added revenue, but a pain in the ass pleading a case that I can't forecast future technology trends and shortcomings.
- If you're client can't understand that you're no tech prophet then they're just retarded.fractionofawhole
- confirmed.
no tech prophet AND retardThe_CCG - i am a tech prophet.
i predict techacalipse******** - So, you told a client that the iPhone was getting Flash?CyBrain
- BattleAxe0
so it can run 3d games but not flash ... ???
- ********0
Its because it uses all it's processor to come up with the fancy-running high-fa louting interface, and it wants to keep that looking nicer than anything anyone would knock up in flash.
Style over substance yet again.
- mrock0
remember when we used to just talk on the phone. - LOL!!!
- Llyod0
the graphics freeze up on the ipod touch browser. the chances of apple mastering flash are minimal are slim.
- rafalski0
flash doesn't use hardware accelleration, eats up all the processor power there is mikotondria
- ********0
Generally, fractionofawhole, I think demand for accessibility and syndication of information on the web is going to lead how the technology develops. I don't see flash pushing anything of the like. You can have fancy interface these days without it.
The unexpected legacy of flash though might well be flash video. It's far less clumsy than quicktime or real, and will hopefully kill them altogether.
- rafalski0
Moth, we all know you never saw any good in Flash. You just like it being that way.
You like it or not, it is a platform easily capable of much more than a JS + SVG + XML + soundsomethingacronym was said to be doing by now.It did what in html/css/js/xml world is called ajax many years before. It has image manipulation functions css could dream of (start eeeasy with rotating an image). It has typographic capabilities that make html/css laughable (font embedding and general tampering with). It has a proper programming language. It has video with alpha and mixes it all together in one tight package.
Authoring Flash is a dream came true compared to the study of counterproductivity and counterintuitiveness that CSS is by design. It also works the same across all browsers.
The problem with it is that it's not an open format and as such was destined for damnation by the community. Also, it was never properly integrated with the browser. It is a foreign object in it with neverending embedding issues. It communicates with JS badly. It is bad for SEO. As a result, Flash becomes more of an optional page element rather than website core it often used to be. Apple's approach pushes it further in this direction.
Flash is also a processor hog, even if AS3.0 brings huge speed improvements.It seems obvious, Apple doesn't want competition in mobile RIA. Flash is potentially multiplatform, why would they need that? :)
- ********0
I agree absolutely Raf... The problems you highlight make it redundant for about 90% of the web. 90% of the web doesn't need to rotate images! It needs sit the fuck still!
However - typographic capabilities and flash isn't something I'd use in the same sentence.
Apart from YouTube - show me a site built in flash that does something useful for me on a day to basis, that actually BENEFITS from it.
Something as useful and intuitive as Flickr.
- rafalski0
The only one I use daily is GoogleTalk popup. Integrates neatly with youtube (can play videos in it when you're sent a link)
http://talkgadget.google.com/tal…
As for typographic abilities, don't forget it comes to save HTML/CSS' ass in the seamless shape of sIFR.Otherwise, the platform seems to be abandoned in areas it used to be a contender.
New http://www.ultrashock.com/ is a touch of absurd in 2008, sadly.
Apple has taken notice, apparently, and if they're not prophets, they're certainly among the architects of the future (I'm still in post-SDK-release shock).For me, the big deal breaker was lack of integration with browser tabs and links from Flash being considered popups by browsers.
- ********0
I think flash might have more of a future in it's integration with things like Adobe Air - bringing the "web" to desktop applications.
Pounce has a nice widget thing made with flash and Air - although I still don't understand what the fucking thing is meant to do - it looks nice.
- ditto. I signed up and looked through it, and then deleted the app.jpea
- rafalski0
Hahaha.. I still haven't figured out what pownce does either, but the developer chick isn't bad looking at all :)
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