here comes texas...
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- dbdesign
texas is important in the democratic vote. clinton? obama? please discuss. please weigh in. i need last minute opinions.
i like obama, a lot. any oposition? let me know whats up. i will be present for primaries. designers are problem solvers, so i have to listen to you guys above many others.
- Spookytim0
"me too. but we need real change, not a real poster."
Okay, well... I don't like the typeface. Change the typeface. It reminds me of Chicago.
Anyway, as a Brit with limited (purely news media) based exposure I think Obama comes across as a little wet behind the ears and out of his depth. I like him, but for me personally, I fear he'd soon get punch drunk with the hard core political environment. This is your cue to say...
"Hey, fuck off you English Twat, as if I give a shot about your opinion on the subject"
- 'shot' = 'shit'.Spookytim
- "Hey, fuck off you English Twat, as if I give a shite about your opinion on the subject"TheBlueOne
- :)TheBlueOne
- dbdesign0
I do give a shot, or a shit. thats my main issue, global opinion and the wars, etc...
please, go on........
- TheBlueOne0
In answer to spookytim (and I don't buy the argument that Obama is wet behind the years), Obama has had more experience in legislative government than Hillary - if you include his time in the Ill. State legislature & Congress. Hillary's primary claim for experience comes from the fact that she was first lady for eight years and knows her way around the White House.
And his campaign has run administrative circles around hers, and perhaps the best from way behind to trop dog, so, I mean if that is a tiny example of executive competence over hers, well there you go. Campaigns aren't neccessarily indicitive of things liek that, but his campaign has come from behind, stayed on message, responded to all attacks, used money, people & other resopurces very wisely and been competitive in every State. I think it's a testamenrt to his executive ability on a small scale.
Besides, at the end of the day, Obama actually makes me and alot of people to actually really be proud to be an American again. And I think that counts for a whole hell of a lot, because what makes America great, historically speaking, are really it's vibrant people, not it's politicians or it's economic might or whatever, and the people have been out of the mix for a looong time sadly. I feel under an Obama administration that has a chance of returning, having people believe that what they do actually matters beyond being an economic indicator of consumer spending on some corporate spreadsheet...
- Spookytim0
"please go on..." HAHA, sounds so sarcastic in English.
Anyway, when I see him talk and doing meet&greet, he seems like he's following the rules laid out in the "How to act natural and put people at ease" handbook. I saw him talking to a woman who disagreed with him a while ago. He kept putting his hand on her shoulder to retort politely, but she kept talking, so he would retract it again and wait, and then put it back in the exact same way, adopting the exact same expression as though it was a rehearsed social technique. She could talk that lady, so Obama ended up doing his little social easemaker technique about twelveteen times, so I could see it wasn't the real natural Obama. Then, when he finally got a chance to answer her, all he said was (with a nice warm smile)... "What you said doesn't make any sense" or something quite weak like that. It just made me go from thinking "Yeah Obama would be great" to thinking "That guy seems a little out of his depth there, and now is not the time to seem out of your depth". I just think he needs to return to a bit of his real self to exude confidence. Thats all. Would be great to think he could get there though, as long as he has the back bone to carry the world's issues.
- Spookytim0
"Besides, at the end of the day, Obama actually makes me and alot of people to actually really be proud to be an American again"
Thats generally been on ice for a long time hasn't it. For the last ten years two Americas have existed. The America of the mind and the political America. I grew up like most English kids in the 70's absolutely and unreservedly in love with anything American at all. It was a naive adoration that failed to notice the faults that exist within any country, but America was so great it could make your heart pound like it was going to explode at the merest thought.
I'd like to feel that way about America again, and I'd love my daughter Pearl to grow up feeling the way I did as a child when my Dad took me to NY for the first time.
- Spookytim0
Anyway, like I said right at the start, all I know about Obama is a few news items and voxpops. If he's as competant and as straight as you say he is BlueOne, fuck it, I'll vote for him in the election booth of my mind.
- Corvo0
But the real question is:
1. America is more or less 50% Dem 50% Rep give or take, right?
2. It sounds logical that currently disappointed Reps (and those are probably not just a few) will vote on Hillary;
3. Will those disappointed Reps vote on Obama?- Actually the country is more 65% Dem and 35% Republican. It's just how they're spread out...TheBlueOne
- OK..maybe 60/40...or 58/42...TheBlueOne
- roundabout0
oil
- capsize0
Where is Hillary's money going? Probably to McCain who knows how to be corrupt and independent like anyone's business. But he won't win the presidency.
- Randd0
clinton: dull paranoid functionary who has internalized republican hate machine
- Wow, sounds really cool.Spookytim
- Hillary is a Cylon?TheBlueOne
- doesnotexist0
use your own judgement to pick a candidate and vote for them, unless you want someone else to decide for you.
- I don't know which of these options to go for. Any suggestions?Spookytim
- emokid0
this helped me decide
http://barackobamaisyournewbicyc…