The bible..
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- TheBlueOne0
It's not God so much that I mind, it's what people do with him that really scares the living shit outta me...
- czawada0
"I'm wetting myself in anticipation of 400.
Nairn
(Oct 12 07, 15:52)"
- TheBlueOne0
have you Christians even read the Torah? do you even understand how to read Hebrew? or is this just the stuff you read in English?
edd-e
(Oct 15 07, 13:20)Nah..they just take the good bits about the Creation, maybe a bit about the flood and anything having to do with stoning men lying with men and then they leave the rest by saying they don't have to pay attention to it 'cause their Big J-man is the new covenant...it's funny to watch them intellectually squirm about their rationale for doing the Dinner Buffet Column A / Column B bit about the Torah...
- Nairn0
heheh czawada..
..i missed my moment, having spent the last 10 minutes in the bathroom with tissues pressed tight, trying desperately to soak up the piss stain around my crotch.
Here's to the next urine-scented 76!
- ********0
I have read completely:
the bible, koran, and torah.
[all lowercase on purpose]
They rate right up there with 'Green Eggs and Ham' in factuality.
I imagine the original documents were much different than the 'english' versions we get.
- flagellum0
BlueOne:
strawman.
back in time-out with you.
- gramme0
have you Christians even read the Torah? do you even understand how to read Hebrew? or is this just the stuff you read in English?
edd-e
(Oct 15 07, 13:20)The majority of the pages in my Bible are the very same Torah you read, translated into English from Hebrew with the same attention and respect as your own scholars. I personally don't knwo Hebrew, but I do know a few hundred people who speak Hebrew, Greek and a few who even have a tenuous grasp on Aramaic.
There is no contradiction between the words of the Torah and the New Testament. The latter is the fulfillment of the former, and a full understanding of the two creates a richer knowledge of God's nature and purpose for us.
- flagellum0
Not true, tonx. The Biblical codex manuscripts are remarkably reliable with only minor textual variants between the thousands of them. In fact, it is this topic that was instrument in bringing me to faith in Christ. You can learn about it here:
- ********0
There are only a handful of people on the face of the earth that can actually read the original ancient language that texts like the bible were written in.
I would bet none of them post on NT.
- ********0
'remarkably reliable'
how would you know that to be accurate?
faith perhaps?
- gramme0
There are only a handful of people on the face of the earth that can actually read the original ancient language that texts like the bible were written in.
I would bet none of them post on NT.
tonx
(Oct 15 07, 13:42)Ummm every Catholic and Protestant seminary is filled with Hebrew and Greek scholars. The only Biblical language on which it is really tough to locate source materials is Aramaic, but there are a few who have mastered it.
There are hundreds of thousands of people alive who are fluent in ancient Greek and Hebrew.
- emokid0
i'm shiva the god of death.
- edd-e0
333 LOCUSTS ON THIS THREAD!!!!
- edd-e0
I have read completely:
the bible, koran, and torah.
[all lowercase on purpose]
They rate right up there with 'Green Eggs and Ham' in factuality.
I imagine the original documents were much different than the 'english' versions we get.
tonx
(Oct 15 07, 13:38)speaking of green eggs and ham...
hahaha!!!
;)
- mrdobolina0
There is no contradiction between the words of the Torah and the New Testament. The latter is the fulfillment of the former, and a full understanding of the two creates a richer knowledge of God's nature and purpose for us.
gramme
(Oct 15 07, 13:39)Millions of jews might disagree. See this is where you guys lose me, you conflate your faith with facts constantly.
- ********0
okay...
In the history of the project of the bible how many people do you think worked on putting it together to the package that you THUMP today?
THOUSANDS?
I find that most messages that pass through four or five people change dramatically.
Who was it that comissioned most translations? Emperors? Kings?
I mean they wouldn't have any need to make small changes that might affect the overall message would they?
Highly speculative.
to me god is just a poor concept that is worth very little consideration. The bible is a great historical document, but the one we are familiar with has been bastardized for political sake.
- edd-e0
i ask if you read the Torah only because i never seen anywhere in there that translates from either the Hebrew versions of the older texted Aramaic version or the versions from Babel that says anything of heaven or hell.
so explain where the literal translation of that came to be?
i also asked my father who does read and write both aramaic and old greek and hebrew and arabic if the ever was so a translation and he took me to the rabbi and he said no.
so again i ask where did this "literal translation" come from?
- Mimio0
It's a literal interpretation and, like Dobs said, is usually confused by it's believers as fact because they don't understand the intention of the original author.
- ********0
You can't see California without Marlon Brandos eyes.