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- Drno0
ww3 wysiwyg
- tommyo0
I really can't think of a service that's come down in price other than dialup internet. But I do know that to reduce costs, you reduce overhead. And in the last 10 years, hospital/medical overhead has gone way up. The government isn't proposing to help cut the overhead, they aren't offering a solution to that. That IS the problem, they aren't trying to fix it. And you're going to tell me that the directors of hospitals are going reduce the charges to the gov for the middle class patients? You know they aren't, if anything when the gov gets involved, the prices go up up up. So the cost for the health care goes up even more, but the charge to us is hidden in cigarettes, property tax, sales tax, income tax...we're all going to pay for it - inflated health care coverage. I don't think we should.
Tell me that my argument doesn't make sense, I mean I really can't see how it doesn't. I want kids to be covered and safe too!! Trust me, it's important to give our children the education and health care that they deserve. The more that the gov meddles in this stuff, the less likely we're going to be able to do it on our own in the future. Talk about prices never going down? How about our ability to provide for our families going down.
- mrdobolina0
It is a self fulfilling prophecy, Tommy.
Starve the government services the funding that they need and then bitch that they don't work.
And then when they fail they say:
See?
Republicans run on this everytime, they run on government being inept and then they prove it when they are elected.
Here is a novel idea that would fix the health care problem in this country...
Lose the for-profit model.
- TheBlueOne0
Geez..there's social medicine in Japan.
Are you about to tell me that the Japanese are somehow lazy?
- vrmbr0
- images not showing up. maybe you shouldn't have actually said anything?!?kona
- or tried to anyways.kona
- click the imagevrmbr
- oh i get it. you were being clever.kona
- *rolls eyeskona
- solid white
http://massageresour…
"as in nothing"vrmbr - yeah, it is clever, isn't it?vrmbr
- So you went to "art school", eh?TheBlueOne
- Mimio0
Same thing with social security. They've been that it's insolvent for 25+ years all the while stuffing the SS Trust Fund with IOU's and spending parts of the payroll tax on other things.
- mrdobolina0
anyone been following the blackwater hearings? they are recruiting people from pinochet's and milosevic's regime...
It is like the latin american death squads x 80,000.
Months and years back I was called a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist for saying that many of these crazy things were happening in this country's name. Now, I can't think of one thing that I said that hasn't been proven to be true.
- mrdobolina0
I just don't get how people can say that people that do not have insurance are better off getting it for themselves than being given it for free.
That is the problem, they can't.
And they wrap it up in "the beareaucracy of gov... blah blah blah"
These people do not care about anyone but themselves but don't have the balls to admit it to people.
- Mimio0
^They've been saying that...
- pr20
Tommy your view again is way too one sided. Incidently i USED to be conservative Republican untill i started experiencing life and i realised that there is more to the picture that i would ever be able to comprehend so instead of creating easy molds for the world to fit into i decided to open up my mind. What you fail to comprehend is that yes huge portion of the taxes that would be raised for that bill would be corrupted and lost into some rich men's pocket but at least a portion of that money would actually end up where it belongs -- providing the healthcare system to children who can't afford it. Likewise with everything else. When we vote to spend more money on education through governmnet help i'm not naive to think that 100% of that money will got to the children. Portion of that money will be lost, missapropriated and down-right stollen but still a significan chunk will end up where it should be. For that matter if you were ever in managerial postion you would see that money gets wasted often even if everyone involved is an hones indivisual meaning well.
- JesseJensen0
Sweet thread.
- ukit0
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS…
A declassified summary of the latest National Intelligence Estimate found with "high confidence" that the Islamic republic stopped an effort to develop nuclear weapons in the fall of 2003.
This is the same country that Bush said would start World War 3 unless we attacked. Guess we can scratch that idea.
- jfletcher0
Skipping Olympics?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn…
- tommyo0
Look this is just a broken record. We can just agree to disagree. Democrats don't fix shit either when they're in power - But you can keep putting faith in them. I really could care less...we're not developing policy here, just sharing ideas.
We're supposed to be making the world a prettier place - but we're debating politics. Novel idea!
- mrdobolina0
you mean the "lockbox" mimio?
I remember in 2000 they kept making fun of gore about that term.
Then Bush spent all the money and borrowed a bunch more on the backs of your kids.
- mrdobolina0
I'm sorry if I think people shouldnt die in the street because they don't make enough money to pay for medical care.
What a wacky liberal I am.
- TheBlueOne0
Scary to say so Dobs, it's a pretty exclusive pool when you talk about running paramilitaries and such. People overlap. And as much as I fear the privitization of military functions in the US and love to get all tin-foil hatted about it over my evenings tumbler of Johnny Walker, I think this puts it in perspective:
- k0na_an0k0
wait a minute. bush is a bad president? our government is fucked? healthcare sucks? we're in debt? omg.... when did this happen!?!
we should really have more open discussions about these things to bring more awareness to the public.