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- flagellum0
morilla: the CS Monitor is a very well respected journal. No, I didn't expect you to know that.
- gramme0
sorry to break it to you gramme, but at the end of the day, that is exactly what it is. Gathering with a few hundred like minded individuals daily or weekly doesnt change that it is your reality. and only yours. and that's good. just wish people would keep it to themselves
BonSeff
(Feb 28 07, 12:32)Nope, wrong again BonSeff. It is not my reality, but Christs'. I am merely a participant. By believing in a truth above, beyond and outside myself, how am I living my own personal truth? The God who reveals himself to me is the God who reveals himself to every other Christian. If I was living my own personal truth, there would be no faith involved. I would be worshipping only that which I can experience tangibly. That does not require any amount of faith whatsoever.
I understand that it pisses you off to hear Christians claim that there is no other way. It should piss you off if you don't buy into it. I see the Bible as a double edged sword. It either protects you or pierces you. That's just how it is.
And for those who say Jesus was great 'n all but can't be God...
He claimed to be the only son of God. He claimed that he would be killed and would raise from the dead. Such a man is either: a) telling the truth, and should be accordingly believed, b) a charlatan, and should have been laughed out of Judea, or c) he was utterly insane and deserved to be locked away forever.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. It just doesn't work.
- TheBlueOne0
then you fear God but it's not going to inhibit anything, it's a grand expanse of meaning and divinty, it'll welcome you and scare the fuck out of you all at once.
M0NEYCIDE
(Feb 28 07, 12:40)Nope, but thanks for playing.
- morilla0
i know about the cs monitor you douche.
man, you are a cartoon of yourself.
- flagellum0
Contest the individual facts in the article, mrdobs. Please stop with the ad hominems. You're a walking Genetic Fallacy.
Go ahead, pick one.
- mrdobolina0
Here is a great quote from D'Souza's End of Racism:
The American slave was treated like property, which is to say, pretty well.
I see a flagellic pattern forming...
- M0NEYCIDE0
moneycide, religion has and still is used as a huge force in making people do things that they wouldn't normally do.
You couldn't get me to give up ribs for anything.
mrdobolina
(Feb 28 07, 12:49)whats your point? so does work. a soldier will pray to God as he goes and murders innocent people. or maybe he won't he'll just think about going home and eating ribs.
- Mimio0
Flagellum by posting that all you're saying is that Stalinism, Nazism, and Despotism is on par with the attrocities of Theocractic governments/forces. There are no tenets in Atheism that call for discrimination amoung people and immorality. Those were just irrational and immoral acts in their own right, not something fueled by disbelief in a god.
- flagellum0
but wait, folks! there's more...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol…
Anybody who contests that atheist regimes caused less death and destruction than the "christian religion", needs to go back to junior college.
- gramme0
hey dobs, can you please explain to me how i've accidentally acted like i'm your superior? I sincerely want to know.
- mrdobolina0
patronizing people would be a great example of it. go through any one of these threads and you can see it.
I do it to people sometimes too, but I don't pretend not to.
- flagellum0
mrdobolina, contest the facts cited in the article. Ohhhh how you love to dodge the facts and make character attacks. lol
Tell you what, why don't you research what Pol Pot did, Mao, Stalin with his gulags. These were explicity humanist regimes who rejected theism.
- flagellum0
sometimes?
- M0NEYCIDE0
not sure how god has anything to do with enslaving black people or protecting national oil reserves. 'Work' and the so called 'realities of life' has destroyed WAY more than religion.
- lemmys_wart0
lemming: we've been over this ad nauseum...
www.csmonitor.com/2006...
flagellum
(Feb 28 07, 12:49)so the crusaders that butchered every man, woman and child in jerusalem were atheists?
intersting...
see, im talking about NOW.
right NOW "christian" nations abort, murder and rape at much higher rates than "secualr" ones...
right NOW atheists have the moral high ground.
guess what?
we anit gonna give it up.
- mrdobolina0
As editor of the Dartmouth Review, D'Souza stole correspondence from the school's Gay Student Alliance and published it, outing several gay students to friends and family and driving one to consider suicide. When The Nation published an article claiming that D'Souza had stolen the correspondence, D'Souza wrote asking for a retraction, calling the piece "lies from the loony left", and sending articles which he said would clear his name. But bizarrely, the articles he included showed that the claim was true - they included a piece written under his byline that featured excerpts from gay students' correspondence.
- morilla0
should we go down the list of regimes who did embrace theisms? Huh?
jackass
- gramme0
patronizing people would be a great example of it. go through any one of these threads and you can see it.
I do it to people sometimes too, but I don't pretend not to.
mrdobolina
(Feb 28 07, 12:57)Please be more specific. I fail to see how I've patronized anyone in these threads, but if you show me some actual evidence then I might be persuaded to admit it and apologize as necessary.
- flagellum0
lemming: you're not terribly right. And I'm fairly certain you just like trying to yank people's chains. Because clearly you didn't read the article I cited which demolished the nonsense you cited.
- TheBlueOne0
He claimed to be the only son of God. He claimed that he would be killed and would raise from the dead.
gramme
(Feb 28 07, 12:52)Just to play devils advocate (tongue firmly in cheek) Jesus, who did certainly state these things and sought to inspire faith in his follwers in God and i nthe fact of his being the son thereof, on he cross dying uttered "Father why have you forsaken me" which to me is a giant statement of "Holy shit, i didn't see this coming..and hey! Where did you go! You left this bit out!" I mean if he knew he was going to die and rise up, why the forsaken statement? Who forsook him if he IS the embodiment off god on earth? If it was all neatly pre-ordained, why the moment of spiritual doubt.
Just saying. Either way, in all seriousness, it's one of the most sublime scenes in the NT for me. Made Jesus totally human to me...