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- skelly0
I saw that just after you and:
SKELLY - philly, us
NEUARMY - philly, us
mpfree
(Dec 21 06, 11:26)did I send you the book after me?
- mpfree0
no I think Neuarmy got it, but I followed the rules, it was in and out of my hand in less than 4 days.
- gramme0
fact: i've met more christians who are tolerant of athiests, than athiests who are tolerant of christians.
hypocrisy isn't limited to religion, i guess.
skelly
(Dec 21 06, 11:18)Lucid & poignant. Hear here.
- mrdobolina0
how exactly is a person tolerant of an atheist? What are they asking you to do?
They aren't exactly asking you to do anything.
Just asking.
- flagellum0
depends on the atheist. Dawkins, Harris and Dennett would ask you to stop believing in God.
What's wrong with asking people to do things? We do this every day.
- Mimio0
Does 'tolerant' mean that an Atheists perspective doesn't result in them going to hell for eternity?
Because the Christian tenants of faith don't really communicate tolerance at all. They very clearly layout a single way of thinking. That's why all sects of Christainity are always trying to establish themselves as the "True Faith", or "True form of Christianity". Of course believers take no direct responsibility for this belief.... it's always.."They're not my rules..they're God's rules" as if that's sufficient rationale for such a belief.
- skelly0
how exactly is a person tolerant of an atheist? What are they asking you to do?
mrdobolina
(Dec 21 06, 11:52)many people like to point out that christians judge people who don't believe in God, think less of them, condemn them, etc. intolerant.
i just see the same attitude on both side and i think everyone just needs to chill and let others do their thing.
- mrdobolina0
flagellum, you dont believe that I want you to do that, do you?
my entire beef with religion is when it needles around public policy, this isnt a christian nation. the constitution is the only document that should be followed. not the bible or any other holy book.
that is my entire beef with religion in this country.
I know TONS of religious folks that are cool. friends, co-workers, relatives etc. all good people. Their religion is very personal to them and they really don't care what other people believe.
Just wanted to make that clear to you.
- skelly0
Because the Christian tenants of faith don't really communicate tolerance at all.
Mimio
(Dec 21 06, 11:57)I disagree. Faith is personal. Most christians I know apply those beliefs to their own life. because you can't apply the consequences of your own belief to anyone but yourself.
There are groups that make a point of telling people they're going to hell and condemning people who don't agree with them, which as you pointed out would definitely be considered intolerant.
But those are the actions of extremist types, not the faith itself.
- mpfree0
... this isnt a christian nation
mrdobolina
(Dec 21 06, 12:00)excuse me?
76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian.
say again homeslice?
- mrdobolina0
Congress shall make no law establishing religion, or to prevent the free exercise thereof, or to infringe the rights of conscience.
you're excused.
- madirish0
excuse me?
76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian.
say again homeslice?
mpfree
(Dec 21 06, 12:05)wow, you really are a sheep, aren't you?
- mpfree0
define sheep?
as in the Lord is my sheperd, I shall not want style?:)
mrdobolina is just bitter. give it up dude, there ain't much you can do about it.
- mrdobolina0
bitter about what, dummy?
this isnt a christian nation.
- mpfree0
Congress shall make no law establishing religion, or to prevent the free exercise thereof, or to infringe the rights of conscience.
you're excused.
mrdobolina
(Dec 21 06, 12:07)those 159 million people are the majority and their votes count. I'm not going to sit here and say that all of those people vote for the conservative right each time, but you are making a massive generalized statement there.
humans, fallible as they are, control Congress through their votes.
- mrdobolina0
how the hell is my opinion generalized. this is not a fucking christian nation.
- Mimio0
Skelly,
Faith is shared and imposed.
I think Christian religious outreach applies their view of reality on all those whole stand outside of their faith. In the mind of the Christian believer all those who oppose their belief system are still subject to it. That's basically where my objection to xtianity starts.
- flagellum0
Mimio: It comes down to how one defines "tolerant". I think the issue is that we apply our own subjective definition here. I would contend that the tenets of Christianity do promote tolerance. We are to love our enemies and bless those who persecute us. Convenient that you left those tenets out. I'm to pray for those who seek to harm me. We are to follow Christ's example of loving and serving others, regardless of race, color or creed. You mention hellfie a lot, but any literate Bible student knows that this is metaphor for an eternity of anguish due to separation from the love that could have been freely received. You neglect to mention this free gift which is available to all.
Finally, you have a very limited scope with regard to mainstream Christianity. Every prominent church within the pale of orthodoxy, be it Baptist, Methodist, PCA, Nazarene, etc... etc..., agree on the essentials. It is the peripheral issues they disagree on - which the Bible specifically says are issues of conscience, not essentials.
- flagellum0
In the mind of the Christian believer all those who oppose their belief system are still subject to it. That's basically where my objection to xtianity starts.
Mimio
(Dec 21 06, 12:21)This comes down to the issue of truth being relative or absolute.
- flagellum0
mrdobolina: Your challenge is to reconcile your view of how government should be (your idealistic secularist visions) with what the founders of this government actually said and believed -