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- spendogg0
what's your vector, victor?
- ********0
I picked the wrong day to quit amphetamines
- Mimio0
Whatever you say 305. Are you even talking about the FTF manifestos?
- 305artist0
Im just blabbering about what the Manifesto was supposed to accomplish instead of what it became interpreted as. I reject the 2000 manifesto completely.
- ********0
i maybe too square but i always considered that artistic professions were about lines, points, planes, colour, inks, paints, etc. and their technical and conceptual development.
i cannot help thinking that 'artists' tend to regard their profession as something bigger than it really is. Painters and 'modern artists' tend to consider themselves as intellectuals, feeling the need to "have a message".
why do not write instead? language is a much more powerful (and efficient) way to convey politicial or social ideas.
art schools are not humanities universities - and that's why most of the 'political' things we see in design come out of newspapers and are not the result of any political analysis or result from the activity of the designer in any "social" field. A nd so they look lame and hardly go above name-calling.
i'm not saying that people should not express themselves but not only there are better ways to do it in as much as there is a lot of better prepared people to do it. and they need a job too.
- Engage0
graphic design is nothing without language and expression in this context... there are some intellectuals on that list that I've heard talk and they were unitelligible and boring... far more interesting were those who actually 'do'
you can talk about it until the cows come home, but you're both not a rock star nor can you do it all on your own unless you're a great designer / writer / copywriter
- ********0
+ people will never know if you're doing it for the cause or for yourself. i would refrain from that.
in the end, i don't think arts, music etc need more restraints or manifestos.
- lowimpakt0
the arts need to die
- ********0
ah. fuck it.
i'm in on it, in on it, in on it.
-- sorry, an ambulance just went by.
- ********0
i design for money.
- ********0
pfff. i do not believe you could be such a mofo.
- ********0
i am. i have designed for less than nothing for years and honestly, it got me into a lot of trouble.
- ********0
so now you just smile like a real nasty bastard at meetings?
- ********0
that's what i do mostly. fuckers.
:)
- ********0
The only problem with FTF is who's going to pay me? High level communication is built along the lines of production because that's who values it. In it's absense, people would consume anything and everything regardless of value. So in that sense designers/advertiser s/communicators are blameless.
Mimio
(Dec 18 06, 08:58)good point.
i just wondered though, what would a world really look like without it?
wouldn't people communicate more themselves? merchant/consumer etc. To discuss the products and question its quality as there are no third party channels to communicate its qualities or lack thereof?
it'd be an interesting experiment..
- ********0
i don't have meetings.
- ********0
ah. they are mostly useless anyway.
- nitrodezine0
hi ppl i just wanted to thank all of you that took my initial question seriously yesterday and have been very helpful for my cause..... there were some very deep and interesting comments made and have included some of your comments and given those relevant ppl's mention in the essay thatnks once again and feel free to throw any links that you think i might find useful