Unionization!
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- adamfinger0
Vespa, but wouldn't you rather be compensated for your hard work (assuming your not given overtime pay)? Wouldn't you rather be given a longer timeframe?
Wouldn't you rather go home even earlier and work on your own projects and make them look good?
- vespa0
well i guess i feel like it's my own time management problems because i always work past whatever time is available, even if i have loads of time.
maybe i should just get off nt. yep, that would save me loads of time!
- chossy0
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- bauts1060
Wow. I was just thinking about this the other day. I have family members who work in various industries that are appalled that there's not union for graphic designers. When I work an 80 hour week and my family says "well look at all the overtime you're gonna get" and tell them there is no overtime they simply can't comprehend. I think unions could greatly improve working conditions, expecially in shops where working newer cats (designers, junior designers) 12 hours a day for 30K a year is considered generous.
- ribit0
but there are actually unions of graphic designers, associations for designers such as AIGA (hmmm whats the difference actually?)
- adamfinger0
bump
- e-pill0
i dont know why you bump this thread, your idea is great but everytime someone posts a suggestion you instantly shoot them down...makes no sense...its liek you just want to see yourself on the net posting against everyone else and their opinions making yours the only one that matters or counts.
its worthless, why not startt it up yourself, do it all, and then bring in people to help your "union" ideal instead of just giving long explanations to why you seem to think your ideal is better off than someone else's. b/c you are just making yourself look like a fool who wants to go at it alone but constantly aaskes for help but doesnt appreciate the help when its given.
its pretty clear you dont want to work with others and that this whole great idea of yours just wont work out until you start making adjustments in in your current ideal so it can work better with others.
- joyride0
lol epill... is that one long sentence? breath man breath
But i couldn't agree more...
- algorithm0
union? for designers? I don't want to be a part of any club that would have me as a member.
- planet010
what do you mean by "protestant work ethic?"
just curious.
- adamfinger0
e-pill.
Unfortunately, I didn't receive too many "suggestions." I received mainly criticisms which I felt compelled to reply to.
I apologize if it seems like I'm just shooting everyone down. I was trying to clear up a few misunderstandings about the idea of unionization. This has nothing to do with a reluctance to work with others, but neither does it have anything to do with simply taking the advice of someone who says something on the lines of, "just switch jobs, gain more skills, etc."
- e-pill0
pls dont compare me with other by stating in response to me directly with using
"just switch jobs, gain more skills, etc."
i didnt write that, in fact i suggested you contact freelancersunion as a suggestion that since they are up and runningas an organization that maybe you can contact someone on their end for help rather than going to a forum with designers.
the clean fact that your first reaction is to re-but anything said by another clealy states that you as an individual is someone that is very hard to work with, meaning why should i as a designer want to be in that environment with someone who olny seems to want to hear themselves.
you are trying to send in some kind of notion that people are getting the short end of life that all their individual hard work is for nothing that only if they fall off their paths and join some group that maybe they can share the wealth...
i really saw your initial idea as something that can be really great, but youy seem to kill it with every of your responses making me not want a union at all and just go on with my way of life, which btw seems to be working very well for me as i am at the top of my career and my paths are all open because of the initial hard work i put into it.
even thru all that i still wish you luck. maybe try to listen more to what others are saying.
- adamfinger0
E-pill,
You misunderstood me. I wasn't suggesting that YOU stated people should simply look for new jobs or gain new skills and hope that their new environment will be better.
My point in bringing up those comments (made by other posters) was that those sorts of attitudes are antithetical to not only unionization, but to our well-being as designers in general. I don't think its dogmatic or narrow-minded or representative of any reluctance on my part to work with others to counteract those comments -- many of which were snide.
Secondly, in regard to your point about the Freelancer's Union, I had already stated that, as an insurance broker (more or less) they are incapable of acting as a genuine union. Regardless, I don't know how helpful they would be to people who aren't self-employed.
- e-pill0
ok...we are on the opposite sides of the industry.
good luck!!
- algorithm0
surival of the fittest, improvise, adapt to the environment, Darwin, I Ching.
If you can't handle it , you should find a new profession.