tableless design
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- seed0
"Certain non-standard layouts still call for tables."
I don't think I agree with this. Can you give an example?
- ukit0
Just to play devil's advocate, although what you can do with CSS has improved greatly, it still isn't all the way there for all layouts in all browsers yet. Certain non-standard layouts still call for tables. And before you master CSS you will undoubtably spend countless hours trying to do achieve something with CSS that you could do with tables in 10 seconds;)
- jevad0
Personally - I couldn't give a shit how a site is coded - if it works on all the browsers I use proplery, loads fast, and doesn't break - I don't see a problem.
Nothing winds me up more than the standards nazis coming down on a nice looking website because it uses tables for the layout...
- northern0
In my view it's all about clean code, separating content from display and utilising HTML markup tags for their correct use.
It helps with accessibility, it helps with search engines and it help you, as all your code is clean and managable.
All these table problems came from the old school when we were trying to do things with HTML that it wasn't designed to do, or that the browsers could render. The fall out now is that the tools are there and we just have to use them properly this time.
- seed0
Here is a good link for you:
- Gordy220
It's tough in the work place tho' - we've so many old, sh!t, legacy sites in my company I have use them / work with them all the time.
*shudder*
- jakeyj0
i (thankfully) started designing sites after css had started to take hold. i couldn't make a site via tables I don't think.
- valentim0
starting to make sense
- moth0
..sorry
- Gordy220
Go home moth.
- moth0
i tried tableless design but I got really uncomfortable on the floor.
- Gordy220
Also, read the following:
http://www.soxiam.com/
http://www.alistapart.com/
http://www.thinkvitamin.com/All pretty handy when delving into CSS layouts for the first time.
Also search on del.icio.us.
- weestu0
some good resources here: http://www.alvit.de/handbook/#us…
- elahon0
I've completely adopted tableless design, and can't imagine going back.
Gooood shit.
- kelpie0
and if you're one of the folks what dont appreciate accesability as a reason, think about this - if you properly separate all your actual content from teh way you present it (with css) then in 6 months time when your clients wife is bored with your design, its far far easier to just change the stylesheet and get a completely new site out of it.
- valentim0
i know man, its cool, the point was to get a bit of a discussion about the subject!
- UndoUndo0
mate I done mean to be funny but if you google it you will get millions of results
- paraselene0
don't take it personally, valentim. it's just that we've talked about this here soooooo many times already.
read some of the information on the w3c site about accessibility. using tables where you're not trying to organise tabular data is bad for the same reason that text as image is bad - it's not standards compliant and it's not accessible.
knowing is half the battle!