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- Mimio0
lol. Jew-bu's. You just described half of my friends in college.
- PonyBoy0
subjective moral code
that's impossible... remove the term 'moral' from that statement and replace it w/'philosophical'.
- TheBlueOne0
I think that ethics are ultimately worthless, in principle, if there is not an absolute standard to measure them against.
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A) The name is TheBlueOne, not Tick - get it right and stop being a passive aggressive biblical intellectual snot.B) Ethics are relative. You can't deal with it so you need a big daddy ion the sky to tell you what to do and promise you that your life is worth something.
Thanks, i don;t need that kind of nannying...I see nothing ethical in the history of religion. Only when a man is forced to own up to the material aspects of his existence does ethics begin. If you plave it in some far off spiritual place, well you get assholes blowing up planes or invading countries because god told them too.
- flagellum0
PonyBoy spots the error in such thinking. Well done, grasshopper. :)
- Mimio0
Pony, morals are philosphical either way you slice them.
- PonyBoy0
Pony, morals are philosphical either way you slice them.
Mimio
(Aug 23 06, 14:52)not when Faith is involved. :)
...but I'm not expecting you to understand that... I'm rather expecting you to make fun of the notion of 'faith'.
- -sputnik-0
I think you confuse Atheism with Nihlism. But for arguments sake, there isn't anything placing moral value on life(or anything for that matter) that isn't human in origin.
Mimio
(Aug 23 06, 14:45)Nihilists!!
- subflux0
Ok, I'm finally breaking my new year's resolution about arguing religion on a design forum, but...
There's no point in ethics if you're an athieist?!?!?
I can argue that morality driven by threat of punishment (i.e., hell) is not ethics but guilt. "I don't want to go to hell, so I'm not going to kill anyone". You're motivation in this case is not the morality of the action, it's the punishment you'll face. I'd like to think I'm not killing anyone because it's WRONG. And how do I know it's wrong without God having told me so? Because I have a fundamental sense of right and wrong driven by my own sense of ethics and measured against that.
If a belief in God is required to be ethical, why aren't all believers "good" and all disbelievers "bad"?
Of course, many religions believe you're automatically "bad" just for not believing in a specific dogma. But, ah well, that just makes it easier to kill someone who doesn't believe in what you do.
I'd rather get along with my fellow man than kill him.
- flagellum0
TheBlueTick: No one is being passive aggressive. So calm down. Your position doesn't hold water. Certainly cultures shape morality and what is acceptable. However, this does not change the issue of moral "oughtness". In principle, if there is not an ultimate objectivity and man is simiply molecules in motion, then the pragmatic does not matter. There is no reason in principle to do anything but persue our own survival. Don't confuse the oughtness of principle with cultural constructs.
- Mimio0
No, I'm not making fun, faith is part of your philosophy as well. It's your cross to bear.
- PonyBoy0
cross to bear?
that sounds like a burden to me.
faith isn't a burden.
- flagellum0
subflux: what you choose to do does not answer the issue of moral oughtness. Who's standard are we to judge by? Who decides what is right and wrong? What or who is the final court of arbitration on what is absolutely right or wrong? If i club someone into a coma or worse because it helps me blow off steam, why is this wrong? Tell me WHY? What if i tell you that by MY code of ethics, it is acceptable?
- -sputnik-0
i guess the moral of the story is that if you're not religious, you're just a grip of molecules banging around aimlessly, and you can't be moral unless you get a book (or a guy in a silly hat) to define those paramaters for you.
uh-huh.
- flagellum0
Must dash. Been lovely all.
- Mimio0
That's great Pony, just express how you feel about it. That's all that there likely is.
- Mimio0
The Categorical Imperative is a bitch both ways really.
- mrdobolina0
wow is that guy a wingnut.
- PonyBoy0
mimio...
:)
I vowed a while back that I wasn't going to argue over this stuff anymore because I completely and whole-heartedly understand your point of view... and share it rather often actually. :)
- PonyBoy0
wow is that guy a wingnut.
mrdobolina
(Aug 23 06, 15:06)is that a clinical diagnosis, dr dobby? :)
- mrdobolina0
I learned my morality and ethics from my mother, who isn;t religious. Is this all a scam then?