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- planet010
Just seems hypocritical to me to make such a bold statement to contradict such a bold statement.
Occams razor isn't a sure thing, no?
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>Nairn
>(May 3 06, 10:56)
- ********0
fuck, even that puppet yoda could answer this shit with a riddle
- Mimio0
The primary conceit of Christianity is to separate yourself from others based on an idea that probably isn't true. That the master of the universe demands blood sacrifice for wrong doings, or simply for the act of being born. That a person unwittingly is in debt to this master of the universe for no other reason that by the will of this being.
- Nairn0
Ooh. Nice, Mimio.
I always say that religion is arrogance - a conceit.
- planet010
Or maybe it's a conceit to deny God the power of being God. Suppose there is a God. He doesn't have to bend to our conciets. He can do whatever he wants... because he is God.
Anyhow, I don't have to time to debate all this. It's been covered here before. I just pointing out the hypocrisy I saw in a statement.
- flagellum0
The trouble is that people here make absolute statements about Christianity without knowing anything about the message of Christianity as it is presented in scripture. They argue from ignorance. They set up straw men and then proceed to knock them down. Crude, uninformed statements like the one Mimio made is a shining example of this - this sort of reductionism that hand-waves the Christian message away as just a blood-thirsty God selfishly demanding sacrifice. Very pagan. Very simplistic. So wrong.
Now, for the actual message of Christianity and why it could not have been conceived by (prideful) humans:
1. Man chooses to disobey his creator and he rebels. This causes man to fall out of fellowship with his creator. Man dies in his spirit as sin enters the picture for the first time.
2. God cannot tolerate the presence of sin. This would comprimise his perfect holiness and perfect love. Therefore, an atonement for all sin is required.
3. The atonement must be perfect ("spotless") in exchange for sinfulness. In effect, he must be the perfect ransom and propitiation for Adam's original rebellion. "Good" won't do. Perfection is required.
4. God the Son chooses to enter time and creation, clothed in human flesh. He lives a perfect sinless life in exchange for our sin-stained lives.
5. He takes the punishment we deserve for our rebellion against our creator. He defeats sin and death at the cross and thru the resurrection. (As foreshadowed in the OT sacrifices)
6. Whoever places their trust in him as savior, has the perfect righteousness of Christ imputed to their account. Their slate is wiped clean. This is acheived through faith alone, without works or performance. Christ has done the work... He said: "it is finished". We rest in his grace.
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One of the reasons that the redemptive plan is true is because it would not have been produced by humans. Humans produce works-based pagan religion. We like to pat ourselves on the back and appeal to that part of our human nature that wants to have something to do with it. In contrast, the message of redemption in the Bible states that we are dead in our sins and separated from a holy creator. There is nothing we can do to fix ourselves. We can only fall into the arms of a loving savior who has done the work that we could not do.
Hardly a selfish God. The Bible presents a God who loves us so relentlessly that he came to us in the flesh and took the punishment we deserve.
I call that selflessness.
- flagellum0
Occams razor applies to science, not theology.
- Nairn0
Says who?
'entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.'
- Nairn0
'Or maybe it's a conceit to deny God the power of being God.', unless one is agnostic?
'He doesn't have to bend to our conciets. ' And nor vice-versa.
'Anyhow, I don't have to time to debate all this.' I heartily agree ...Despite continuously dipping my toe into these futile sessions.
- zoiks0
flagellum, I'm convinced at this juncture that God is actually supremely selfish. God loves himself above all else...
This is a very deep and seemingly twisted...Check out some of John Pipers writings on this subject. Another guy who dares to fish in the unchartered waters of this mysterious God.
http://www.desiringgod.org/libra…
And what about those that fart in God's general direction?; They are no worse that me and you...
"We are half hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered to us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a Holiday At The Sea. We are far too easily pleased. -C.S. Lewis
oh.... and this is an ok site design too.
- jevad0
"They argue from ignorance."
I argue from what I see and hear across the street at the Planned Parenthood clinic.
I argue from what I see and hear Bush say he does in the name of 'God'.
I argue from what I see and hear America's Right Wing Christian Fundamentalists say - that gay marriage is bad, the Islam is bad, that abortion is bad, that the lord can only be my saviour if I follow their way.
Fuck that mate, fuck that.
- Mimio0
Discipler, I'd like to hear how my interpretations of original sin, redemption, and condemnation weren't accurate? One might say that Christianity itself is a straw man argument too, by creating a false dilemma and then providing a resolution to it.
- zoiks0
You all need to be postin website up in hear along with all your shiznat...
help the brotha out!!!
This isn't great, but it's a big church so there website must be good; right?
- ********0
I need a bong hit to participate in this thread
- Jalines_father0
this thread is hilarious
- zoiks0
Whoa! Here is your bong hit!!!
http://www.newbirth.org/
- Jalines_father0
zoiks!
ZOIKS!
good grief, I'm twitching from that.
- zoiks0
How about some Rock & Roll with that church...
It goes all the way up to 11
*I think I have crossed over to the side of mockery... my apologeeze.
- zoiks0
Keep yer eye on this one; they're hosting at MT...