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- winter0
going?
man, i need 3 month vacation or so. I just need basking and sex. a lot of the latter, mostly.
then I'll think about the troubles of editing and publishing.
No more fore me. Cheers.
- ********0
this will be the permanent divide between pop culture and fineart; pop culture winning out in known history, while origins fall to the musty offices of academia.
- blaw0
point taken.
wonder what i'm missing.
- ********0
zepplin and nirvana, zepplin borrowed and changed and turned into the most profitable coverband of all time. the guy from nirvana couldnt force his work out so he homaged the fuckers to death. so actually wasnt a total whiny bitch, as he had lost his art and ended up eating muzzle.
- winter0
not sure about that. pop culture will always depend on the mass, and other sort of experience will feed the beast, and so on and so on.
but you can always decide your field of work, knowing that you'll never get as many $ as those who play the game.
the difference is you get a footnote, or maybe an article, in the Encyclopaedia of Future Worth.
Much better. That's good enough for me.
- ********0
you wouldve spun in a cirle on that one if I had actually absorbed any of it
but I concur
- ross0
bukowski didnt sell a book on his first try.
he died.
he was a homeles drunk.
(for all intensive purposes)
and is my favourite author, therefor successful, and impactful.kurt von jr wrote technical manuals for GE forever before being published.
if youre intentions are true, stick with it...
btw, forward me a copy...
- tconn0
Ross. Thank you, thank you, thank you for the Kurt Vonnegut GE story. He is now and forever the greatest writer in the history of writers. Knowing that about him helps in the biggest way possible.
- -scarabin-0
i guess it all comes down to intent.
if you want to make a book that sells (to make you money), you use every device and hook neccessary to do so
if you want to make a book that just says the things you want to express, to state your view (whether through allegory or otherwise), you needn't worry about being rejected by publishers, and your will to express may justify the cost of self publication.
as with all media, it all comes down to design vs. fine art - money vs. expression.
if you need to pay bills, write a new one with a better hook. one that will sell.
if your book isn't about that and is just something you need to get out, make photocopies and nail them to people's doors if you have to.
- -scarabin-0
i'm having the same battle with a personal project i'm working on.
finding the balance between what i think is beautiful (because it's for me) and what others think is beautiful (because i'd also like it to sell)
- babaganush0
I agree it's about intent.
I'm writing a work of fiction at the moment. To me the process is about getting it out. Getting out of my system. I personally think it's good to have a roadmap. I guess refered to hear as a hook. You can see a publishers point of view. Nobody wants to knock anyone who's taken the time to follow a dream and ACTUALLY write that book,it's a draining and noble commitment. But at the same time as people in this forum(myself included)admire the ' have a go ' attitude some of this is because we objectify it with a tangible person who is trying to do something. But if you send those words out alone into the world without being brutally lean, driven in a compelling direction,no one will care any more than somebodys University thesis. I think you can find a voice and weave sub plots and characters to personify some of your own feelings about life or whatever,and I certainly think you can weave a book that resonates off every line as well as an overall hook (take Chuck Palahniuk or DBC Pierre where each sentence compels). So unless there's a slim chance that theway you construct prose makes you the next Vonnigut or Irvine Welsh and can stand out for sheer originality of form ( which is unlikely. they don't come around too often) I'd say the best way to get published is to do what has united humans since we sat around campfires. Tell a story.
Respect to you though. Shit just realised this post is like a novel.Good luck
- tconn0
You're right. The entire post reads like a novel. Art versus commerce. The eternal debate rages on...