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- jah_0
reminds me of the middle age... inquisition... rox.
or as in the wild wild west: shoot first ask questions later
or the fear/paranoia of communism during the hoover administration in the USA...
history keeps repeating itself.
and we can't learn with past mistakes. our egos are just too strong to actually bear the thought that we have made a mistake.
paranoia is what the terrorist want to cause in society. and we just play along. oh.. if we could just learn from ourselves...
sigh..
J
- paraselene0
are you not concerned about a possible snowball effect, moth?
paraselene
(Oct 13 05, 03:58)No, not yet.
determinedmoth
(Oct 13 05, 04:07)nor did anyone in america either. and then we woke up one morning to realise that we could be targetted for borrowing 'suspicious' books from the library.
http://action.aclu.org/reformthe…
for someone harbouring as much anti-american sentiment as yourself, you don't seem too concerned about your country turning into a replica of america.
- ********0
you should be Moth :(
kelpie
(Oct 13 05, 04:08)I didn't vote for him.
I'm more worried about the neu fashion protest trend. Did someone mention a two-minute-hate? Did anyone say Nick Griffin being arrested was a far worse attack on Civil Liberties? There's far more going that I can worry about because it's suits me.I'm going to go to the John Peel thread and post some tunes :/
- paraselene0
rather: nor WAS anyone in america...
- ********0
As moth said, we are far from 1984. However, this could be the start of something else.
Before something like 1984 cold happen there would be a mass revolt by the public.I think countries like Iran are similar to 1984.
- CaP0
what i really find worrying is the fact the we all have to arrive to a certain point of loosing civil liberties to then realising that we "might have gone too far"... i'm seeing it now in spain were some people are yelling for "harder laws" in detaining suspects.
- honest0
Yes there is a general problem of hide and seek with terrorism and the system isn't really coping well enough with how society is changing (prisons filling up, poor healthcare, LEDs, economy on the rocks, etc.) I can't say whether or not this is the right way forward, but is there is a solution other than doing nothing?
I dunno, it's all a bit suss to me.
- ********0
Before something like 1984 cold happen there would be a mass revolt by the public.
bot
(Oct 13 05, 04:20)Well I'd have to disagree with that. Many thought the same thing about Nazi Germany.
Sometimes I worry more about the people in the country than the ones running it.
- ********0
Well at leat we don't get put in prision for playing the wrong type of music or sentenced to death for being gay. All in the name of 'god'
- ********0
Sometimes I worry more about the people in the country than the ones running it.
determinedmoth
(Oct 13 05, 04:25)So true. Mainly the Daily Mail reading, deport them all now or at least keep them locked up brigade.
- jah_0
Well at leat we don't get put in prision for playing the wrong type of music or sentenced to death for being gay. All in the name of 'god'
bot
(Oct 13 05, 04:25)no, we get killed for using the tube. especially if you're brazillian.
J
- ********0
Moth: humm, perhaps, although I like to think Europe has moved on since then.
I really don't know what to think about all these new laws. Peoples veiws are very polorised.
- deep_throat0
Im imagining a situationi in which a young British Muslim expresses outrage at Isareli treatment of Palestinians, or the American war in Iraq, and some copper thinks, “shit he’s started becoming friends with other Muslims of a similar view, they might end up radicalised, lock them up for 3 months until they lose contact with each other, and then release them.”
Silencing of a legitimate political voice, for being a Muslim political voice?
- soda0
so we are scared of terrorists who hate us for our way of life and we respond by changing our way of life?
The fear of an unknown enemy being used to push through legislation that governments have had on the table for years?
Sounds very Orwellian if you ask me!
The presumption of innocence is one of the most important civil liberties we have. Take that away and you are beholden on the police or a judge making decisions without a jury of your peers.
That has to be the scariest directions this country has ever taken. It's not about the length of time they want to hold 'suspects' for Moth, it's the fact they can and will.
Look at Belmarsh. Look at Guantanemo Bay. No access to legal representation, held indefinitely. All based solely what a judge or the police present as fact.
The system at the moment means that has to be proven. They way they want to push this means you will have to prove your innocence.
That's just wrong mate, pure and simple.
Fuck, even the government know it, they can't get a agreement on it in their own party, let alone a wider consensus!
It's scary and it's not what I voted for either.
- paraselene0
*waves "soda for prez" banner
oops!
**scratches out "prez" and scribbles in "pm"
- jah_0
so we are scared of terrorists who hate us for our way of life and we respond by changing our way of life?
The fear of an unknown enemy being used to push through legislation that governments have had on the table for years?
Sounds very Orwellian if you ask me!soda
(Oct 13 05, 04:54)so true...
J
- nicko0
double-plus ungood
- plamensk10
Search for similarities:
http://www.online-literature.com…
- soda0
*waves "soda for prez" banner
oops!
**scratches out "prez" and scribbles in "pm"
paraselene
(Oct 13 05, 04:55)nope, prez is good.
when I get in there's gonna be some changes around these here parts....*adjusts beret and pulls on afghan...