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- deep_throat0
Being arrested IS a presumption of Guilt. You're making 0 sense.
determinedmoth
(Oct 13 05, 03:30)
I’m not talking about the act of arresting someone. I was referring to the overhaul of the English criminal law system underway right now. You should read up more on Tony Blair’s plans.
- ********0
Prehaps you have the wrong thread then.
We were disussing this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po…
- deep_throat0
So what if it was 7 days to 14 days? Would you all be talking about something else?
determinedmoth
(Oct 13 05, 03:31)now it is YOU who are making 0 sense, with your Archimedean paradox of – when does a pinch of salt become a table spoon?
7 days, 8 days, 9 days, 10 days, 11 days. This is 30 days. A month at the prerogative of the local police station.
- kelpie0
yup Moth an article which states the governments ambition to implement a set of measures allowing people who have not even been charged with a crime to be held for 3 months (not 30 days), on suspicion of as wooly and vague (ie open to interpretation and potential future abuse) "crime" as glorifying terrorism. I think the guys point is relevent.
- ********0
well i can see you intend this to go nowhere.
- deep_throat0
Prehaps you have the wrong thread then.
We were disussing this:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk...
determinedmoth
(Oct 13 05, 03:39)oh really? I don't see that mentioned anywhere in plamensk1's initial post. All i see is a link between the Orwellian 1984 and Tony Blair. I think what i was saying was well within those parameters.
- toe_knee0
Similar laws being past in Australia and I had the same opinion as you moth. Thought it was only in our best interest. Thats until stories like this crept into the news.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,1…
That guy was kept in solitary confinement for 4 days, then was shipped back to the states on a plane with guarded by 2 australian officials.
To make matters worse they sent him a bill for the privalage
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content…
- ********0
innocent people will always get arrested. Some of them are probably in jail already. 7 days, 90 days, there's still a trial, and whatever the duration of custody the judges and police are still going to make the same errors, or not. There's no more injustice than existed before.
- ********0
oh really? I don't see that mentioned anywhere in plamensk1's initial post. All i see is a link between the Orwellian 1984 and Tony Blair. I think what i was saying was well within those parameters.
deep_throat
(Oct 13 05, 03:45)Oh we can discuss semantics next and maybe we'll correct each others spelling too!
- ********0
7 days, 90 days, there's still a trial, and whatever the duration of custody the judges and police are still going to make the same errors, or not. There's no more injustice than existed before.
determinedmoth
(Oct 13 05, 03:49)Why would the duration of custody not make a difference?
- paraselene0
i posted that link because to me the entire situation is highly reminiscent of the antiterrorism act which was implemented in the states shortly after 911, and which is still being abused.
we used to have a system of checks and balances in the states (although it could be argued that it hasn't properly existed for a century or so), and it's now just a farce whose acts bear the same names as our constitutional rights but really don't resemble them at all.
i guess i worry that this place i've chosen as my second home is going to turn out to be just as corrupt as the first...
- ********0
Why would the duration of custody not make a difference?
skt
(Oct 13 05, 03:52)At some point I'd agree it does. If these guys are planning mass murder though I say give the police more time to get what they need. Yes it'll be unfortionate if someone's innocent, but worse shit can happen to a man.
- paraselene0
are you not concerned about a possible snowball effect, moth?
- deep_throat0
Oh we can discuss semantics next and maybe we'll correct each others spelling too!
determinedmoth
(Oct 13 05, 03:50)you brought it up, prick.
- jah_0
They hold me for 30 days. Think of all the compensation ;)
I dont much see the problem. The people they're pulling in probably aren't the most innocent of charaters.
determinedmoth
(Oct 13 05, 03:16)yea like that terrorist.. that brazillian chap.. what was his name? who cares.. he wasn't innocent.. oh wait.. yes he was... and dead too.
and no, we're actually very close to 1984.. in a sicker, less obvious way. if you can't see that then it's working :)
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J
- deep_throat0
The point of such laws is to create a situation similar to Guantanamo where people are taken out of normal legal practices because there is an assumption that at some point in their lives, that they might become a threat unless taken out of society. That’s what the 90/30 days is therefore. Not so the police can gather material, but to shake off their association with their contacts who might, in 3 months, do some terrorising.
The danger of such laws is that they will be used against anyone the government simply doesn’t like the look of, or is an irritant. I could understand why the Muslim community feels threatened. I’m sympathetic to the armed struggle against Israel, the Russians in Chechnya, and the Indians in Kashmir. Simply voicing this could lead to me being confined in prison for 3 months, to teach me a lesson perhaps. And by the way – THERE IS NO TRIAL AT THE END OF IT. It is the police’s legal right to do this as part of anti-terrorism measures.
- ********0
are you not concerned about a possible snowball effect, moth?
paraselene
(Oct 13 05, 03:58)No, not yet.
- ********0
Oh we can discuss semantics next and maybe we'll correct each others spelling too!
determinedmoth
(Oct 13 05, 03:50)you brought it up, prick.
deep_throat
(Oct 13 05, 03:59)Or name calling. That might work too.
- ********0
This what happens when this country gives benifits to people who call the london bomber 'the fantastic four'
- kelpie0
you should be Moth :(