intelligent design
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If stuff that is so complex, yet somehow works, is indicitive of an Intelligent Designer, what does that say about the US Federal Tax codes? I think they prove and demonstrate the Guiding Hand of an an omnipotent Intelligent Designer far more easily than evolution does. How about we get some of you religious types into the IRS?
- discipler0
Completely false, Tick and Basker. The entire thrust of those in opposition to the I.D. movement within science, is to set up their straw man that there is no controversy within the scientific community. Shall I link you up to the numerous peer reviewed articles which demonstrate that there is plenty of controversy? The bottom line is there is a move to censor I.D. proponents. Why? because of the religious attachment many in that community have to Naturalism. Again, it's the philosophical implications of I.D. that terrify many.
Tick, you avoid the science and try to invent conspiracy theories. Nonsense. It's the science that causes I.D. to continue to prosper despite the censorship attempts.
- discipler0
Nairn, you make it clear that you have intense hostility against people of faith and it clouds your judgment. You're unable to objectively look at the evidence because of caricatures you have of people who are positive theists.
- IRNlun60
"Intelligent design is a movement that says that life is so complex that it must have been designed by a higher intelligent being"
so what, what does that prove? nothing.
It's like saying "well, we have this fossil and we have that fossile but nothing in between? Hmmm. Some intelligent being probably created this. Ok case closed."
Solves nothing, teaches nothing. Do you really need to call something 'Intelligent Design' to understand that the world we live in is extremely complex?
What are the benefits of 'Intelligent Design' aside from a claim of a higher being?
- arinya0
Well I don't believe that we evolved from a bunch of cosmic goo but I have to agree that ID is not science and I also feel that the ID "scientist" are make a mockery of what God wrote to us in the bible. It's not science, it's religious teachings and yeah they should stay apart and I like making long sentences using the word "and".
- discipler0
IRN, do you really think this growing movement in the scientific community can be dumbed down to such a basic definition? You think maybe there's more to it than that?
Please see my first post in this thread. Getting weary of repeating myself. Also, see my next post that features links to the science.
- discipler0
Intelligent Design is the scientific detection of design in biological systems.
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Science. To say it's not is to stick one's head in primordial goo. SAND! I mean, sand.
- Nairn0
Damn right I'm hostile towards your retarded thinking...
..though I do retain some objectivity - I concede the possibility of a higher order (because I cannot disprove it) and I Wonder at my inability to comprehend the form of Order seen in Nature.
I'm just that-little-bit-intelligent-enou... to see that the children of Christ take Nature's name in vain every time they see its creation through their narrow minds.
Accept, like I have, that the universe is genuinely too big and complex for us to understand, then learn to find your place within it and make your own peace.
Your philosophy is far more dangerous than mine, even if I am a fire-spitting heathen.
Die, Religion, DIE.
- discipler0
You like to make assumptions, Nairn. I don't have religion. Definitely not in the sense that you understand it. I have a relationship with Jesus Christ which makes me seek to love others. But that's irrelevant since this discussion is about I.D. and I.D. makes no claim to the identity of the designer, but simply detects design.
- Nairn0
Then let it be Natural Design.
Ultimately, everything is mathematics and chance.
And that Jesus guy? He sounded like a pretty cool dude, and I can believe that he might actually have existed.. but Son of God?
Only me, in my more arrogant moments, can claim to hold that position.
- ribit0
"Order and Complexity do not have to be designed, they can quite simply 'occur' without any outside intervention. "
"Pure fantasy and uttern nonsense, Nairn."
I think the point is that order and complexity indeed DONT just somehow 'occur', and there is design going on here... BUT it is natural systems that are doing the designing, not some outside entity...
(of course some outside entity may have created the overall situation in the first place, but thats another story..)
- paraselene0
nairn, darling, what are you doing in here?
you know better.
tsk.
- IRNlun60
in your own words...
"Again, it's the philosophical implications of I.D. that terrify many."
the key word here is "philosophical"...
- discipler0
Nairn, you're missing the key point. Science is demonstrating that there is no natural mechanism that can produce the engineered technology we see in these structures. And the information in DNA. It IS information. Mindless natural processes do not produce information. Let alone backup and error protection mechanisms. One would only avoid the design inference if they have an epistemological axe to grind.
As for Jesus, there is compelling historical and manuscript evidence to suggest that he was exactly who he said he was... the son of God. You really should investigate these things before making emotional responses.
- discipler0
Yes, IRN because when science points infers design, it opens up doors to discuss WHO the designer might be. But again, that's for philosophers to discuss. I.D. only identifies the design.
- Nairn0
I was just looking for someone to hug and then I saw the look in Discipler's eye...
...I just couldn't help myself.
- discipler0
Nairn, i'm sensitive about my lazy eye.
- discipler0
As for the mathematics and probabilites. Go to the guru: