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"irreducibly complex organisms CANNOT be produced by evolutionary processes..."
-Discipler
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What turnip truck did you fall off of bro?
- ********0
If monkeys came up with religion, what do you think they would worship?
ukit
(Sep 30 05, 13:24)A big giant bannana with a vagina? Just guessing...
- discipler0
I could care less about your patience, deep throat. Don't flatter yourself. And no sir, it does not necessitate evolution. It can just as easily be programmed to initialize sudden changes in phyla. Just like you see in the Cambrian explosion. And i said a great majority. Because you also have people like myself, who believe that a personal being had an active role in creating the animal phyla.
- discipler0
The current science turnip truck, Tick. Learn.
- -sputnik-0
discipler, all details aside, why does a religious theory have to be taught in school. i am still waiting for your answer...
- mrdobolina0
discipler, if you didnt believe in god, would you be this passionate about this? probably not.
- discipler0
sputnik, it is not a religious theory. It is current science. How have you missed that?
I.D. science simply detects design in biological systems. Period. It does not posit the identity of the designer, nor is it concerned with that, because there is no testable model for that.
- deep_throat0
discipler you're changing the subject and i'm not going into the cambrian crap and phyla etc... because you will drag this on and on and on until you are blue in the face.
No, no ID and or Creationists talk about the life game, but you know what? Evolutionary theoritss DO. They do to show how self organisation and complexity can occur in a universe without prethought.
Yes it is a computer model, but its has applications in real life. Just like the medical models used to test drugs and find cures to diseases. They are viewed on computer screens and programmed to behave a certain way to imitate real life.
There are models being developed to imitaate the human mind. You know why these are used? So these phenomena can be observed!!!
That's what a Model is.
- -sputnik-0
wow, if you believe that then you are more snowed than i thought.
- ukit0
Just because there are a minority of people out there yelling really loud and getting paid by the right doesn't make it science. If ID is so compelling, why do the vast majority of scientists believe in evolution? The people who back ID are as fake as the "scientists" the oil industry puts on cable television to say global warming isn't real.
- deep_throat0
discipler you idiot, i'm not using that model to explain how the cell developed!
i'm showing, through a mathetmatical model how a non-thinkgin non functioning thing like a dot on that game of life, can under the conditions of the universe, over millions of years emerge into A PATTERN. i.e. self organise!
i am really not gonna get into phyla with you. i'm demonstrating abstrat theories to you.
God you just spent hours trying to find websites that refute the life game thoery and couldn't. so now all ure doing is delieberately trying to misunderstand the point i was making with it.
sly dog you
- discipler0
I'm not changing the subject at all, in fact i addressed your previous post in detail. You are dodging.
If you actually take the time to study these issues you will find out that naturalists do not have any viable theory or sufficient mechanism as to how nothing can produce complexity. You have abstract models, which once again, have been demonstrated to fail under scrutiny. Additionally, you have as many number crunchers on the I.D. side to demonstrate the impossibility of complex ORGANIC LIFE from nothing.
Here's the bottom line, for the last time: within the last 30 years or so, we've been able to peer into realms we had not been able to see before. And what we see is: information + machinery. Mindless mathematical principles (unless devised by an uncaused intelligent entity) do not and cannot produce this.
- mrdobolina0
discipler, do you deny that there are diploma mill schools that give out phd'sto people who propel your way of thinking?
- -sputnik-0
pfft.
- discipler0
Poor, deep throat. You can't seem to recognize the disconnect between mathematical patterns and the reality of organic life which shows that mindless mechanisms cannot produce it.
- discipler0
ukit,
It's because it is new science. And just like Darwinian fundamentalism was unpopular when it first came out (because of it's philosophical implications) so, I.D. is going to be.
It will be mainstream. You can't argue with these advances in science.
- deep_throat0
If you actually take the time to study these issues you will find out that naturalists do not have any viable theory or sufficient mechanism as to how nothing can produce complexity. You have abstract models, which once again, have been demonstrated to fail under scrutiny. Additionally, you have as many number crunchers on the I.D. side to demonstrate the impossibility of complex ORGANIC LIFE from nothing
discipler
(Sep 30 05, 13:38)what????? how have abstract MODELS been demonstrated to fail under scrutiny?????
do you just say words to make yourself look good?
- discipler0
goodbye, kuz. You're just mud-slinging now and dodging. As is your custom. :)
- ukit0
Creationism is new science? lol