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- Morning_star0
Atheism: The movement that claimed to be the antidote to all the ills that organised religions brought to the world, evolves into an organised religion. The circle of moron is complete. Predictable.
Humans are the problem, always have been.
- +1ApeRobot
- huh? get off the internet. athiests are normal people who don't give a shit either way.inteliboy
- ...and like congregating in celebration of their faith.Morning_star
- monospaced0
But atheism isn't a religion.
- <inteliboy
- you believe, you have faith in it under guise of rational thought but its still based on faith, cause lack of evidenceyurimon
- lack of evidence that some fantasy is not true? say wut?moldero
- sorry, lack of what?monospaced
- lol!scarabin
- Morning_star0
Religion: a particular system of faith and worship.
Faith - check.
Worship - check.
- inteliboy0
^
When did atheists claim that? Who do athiests worship? Where's their faith?What a nonsense idea.
Not believing in something ≠ a belief.
- Their faith is that there is no god. Worship is the gathering together to celebrate this fact.
Morning_star - no, no that's not logical and isn't how it works, sorry morningmonospaced
- in the end, do we get a tax break?moldero
- You cant just say 'it doesn't work like that', tell me where i'm wrong.Morning_star
- you can't have "faith" in something you don't believe in....inteliboy
- and who gathers together to celebrate atheism? I know nobody who does this.inteliboy
- what do we worship if there's nothing to god damned worship?moldero
- Their faith is that there is no god. Worship is the gathering together to celebrate this fact.
- kingkong0
As long as there have been people there has been religion, in one form or another. It's part of the human condition.
Whether the earth, Jesus or Mohammed, the flying spaghetti monster or the sun they all count. Yes atheism and humanism are all belief systems to. Even nihilists believe in something.
Where is goes wrong is when 'my god is better than your god'.
Religion will always be apart of our 'id' - just the way it is.
Theology and QBN though...never a good idea.
- GeorgesII0
lol, atheism isn't a religion,
are you serious,
has an emblem, has apostles, has a belief system (which itself is the belief in a non belief..), has gods (science and statism),
now has church and places of non belief,
want's to go on a non spiritual jihad against believer,ok, yeah, it's not a religion...
- I can predict anger from the non believer because I point out their non beliefs flawsGeorgesII
- Wolfboy0
This feels like the kind of post that would be on page one of this thread but all this atheism as a religion and it being a form of faith bullshit makes me think it's worth saying again:
The burden of proof has to be with those that claim something to be true that is not measurable in any tangible way. There is no responsibility on those that do not believe unsubstantiated stories to start from a position that says they are true and then disprove them. Therefore there is no faith involved with atheism, only rational thought and a joy in the acquisition of new knowledge.
The theistic stories of Christianity or Islam are in no way any different from those of scientology and David Icke or the ancient myths of the norse and greek gods (they just come from different time periods)- at what point does the lack of belief in any of this bullshit stop being faith and just become sensible rational thought?
Here's the basic difference between religious faith and atheism:
– Atheism is a refusal to believe the stories we are fed from an early age without some form of measurable proof that they are real; this in turn allows the people to seek answers to questions, acquire exciting new knowledge about the world around them and adjust their world view accordingly as civilisation progresses. By this structure, if proof that there is a god became available atheists would accept it and adjust their world view.
– Theism is a refusal to accept stories we are fed from an early age can be anything but true despite any newly acquired information might describe; this in turns means people have to spend their time and effort skewing the information in the world around them in a manner that serves only to hold us back as a civilisation. By this structure, is proof that there is no god became available theists would deny it and skew the information to fit their world view.
- there's no need of s burden of proof, this is what is called faith, faith isn't science ffs, I'm not even religious, but goddamit people stop being so obtuseGeorgesII
- people stop being so obtuseGeorgesII
- That's not obtuse, if somebody tells me something is true and it should have an effect on the world and on me then they have the burden of proof.Wolfboy
- If on the other hand they sit at home, do not preach their stories or cut off the heads of non-believers then they need prove nothing.Wolfboy
- to prove nothing.Wolfboy
- I've been living in italy for almost a decade, still haven't been forced to believe in anything,GeorgesII
- but strangely in the Us there's this twisted evangelic dominionist religion, pretty weirdGeorgesII
- monospaced0
Atheism is a religion like "off" is a TV channel. Yes, it has a symbol on the dial, but it doesn't make it a channel.
- Where does atheism exist? you say you are rational yet somehow you sound mystical. a mystical channelyurimon
- That's not really true, there aren't huge fans of the TV show called 'off' that want to tell everyone about it.********
- channel/show you get my point.********
- Set, if you want to dissect a metaphor in that way, it still stand up, I've got a couple of friends who live without a TV and love to tell everyone how amazing their life is without it.Wolfboy
- love to tell everyone how amazing their life is without it. But then, who tries to stretch metaphors like that?Wolfboy
- true true********
- my point was that atheism isn't simply not believing in God, it's now a group and a label with set views.********
- I don't have a TV, btw,
BY THE WAY******** - I don't believe in any religion but I'm not atheist.********
- monospaced0
Additionally, every being is born atheist. If nobody was taught religion, or if nobody confused something they experienced/saw with the supernatural, then nobody would be religious at all. If you weren't told about god(s) and all that as a child, you wouldn't even know about them.
- ... because they aren't real, and accepting something isn't real is not a "belief" systemmonospaced
- It is when it argues a contrary position about a belief.Morning_star
- well, that contrary position is about made up shit, like talking burning bushes and parting seasmonospaced
- and hell and heaven and all kinds of shit
monospaced
- yurimon0
^ you getting mystical on us? Religion on Religion off, yet it has all the characteristics and attributes of another system that is on in the human spectrum. The claim of rationality is sparse since there is still no proof offered coming from an atheist system. That science will catch up to your belief system is different, then people thinking jesus one day will come back?
- Wolfboy0
Questions for Yurimon regarding his last post:
What is the 'athiest system' you speak of?
Proof (not offered) of what?
What is science catching up to?
- ********0
It's all just a pile of cock. A pile of flaccid cocks stacked so high that it sways in the wind and lone cocks fall from the top and hit the heads of climbing lemming like humans on the way down.
- GeorgesII0
there's already a schism in the atheism movement,
I wonder when the original christian realize their beliefs were co opted,
- kingkong0
- yeah, and only fedora wearing neckbeards even think anyone could take this shit seriouslyGeorgesII
- in what sense does anyone take it seriously? It exists to purely shine a light on the ridiculous nature of faith in stories.Wolfboy
- Submit the pasta for scientology or the norse gods. It's all the same.Wolfboy
- *subsitute not submit*Wolfboy
- Actually deities represent natural phenomenon in archetypal symbolism. so might be bit more real the A-+yurimon
- but those text are allegories, they had and still have meaning when you dig deeper, but sadly we can't ask any modern person to do a simple diggingGeorgesII
- to do a simple diggingGeorgesII
- then a+yurimon
- The whole system of psychology came out of archetypes in these make believe stories.yurimon
- Science has borrowed so much from old belief system and rephrased or made "modern" those ideas.yurimon
- anyone who uses the term "fedora wearing neckbeards" needs to spend less time on the internet.inteliboy
- or at least redditinteliboy
- Morning_star0
The recent evolution of atheism reminds me of that scene in 'The Life of Brian" where the followers of Brian gather outside his window and, in unison say "we are ALL individuals". Atheists consistently miss the point of their faith.
- yurimon0
http://www.etymonline.com/index.…
Many say the etymology of religion lies with the Latin word
religare, which means “to tie, to bind.”
- inteliboy0
Faith is belief that is not based on proof. That is the definition.
It's a huge twist of logic to think atheists have their own faith. That in itself is a paradox, no matter what way you spin it.
- < thismonospaced
- high five,
//s
dat cognitive dissonanceGeorgesII - atheism still based on faith so how is it a paradox. its similar to other religions. doesnt make it any special to say its different.yurimon
- makes it more of a brandingyurimon
- <lolmoldero
- cognitive dissonance? no need to get high and mighty like you know everything, yet we don't.inteliboy
- atheism isn't based on myths or allegory or anything even relatable to conventional religionmonospaced
- it is simply the absense in belief in some higher being or creatormonospaced
- the absense of belief in supernatural happenings, moral or otherwisemonospaced
