Creationist Lies
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- discipler0
A good article from True Origins:
- Kes0
why? common sense discipler, (help me out subflux) an amphibiam group whose environment changed in one particular location, had to learn to adapt, whilst the group where it did not change, or changed to reinforce its amphibianess, stayed amphibian
why's that weird?
- TheTick0
JakeyJ - thanks for asking. I have my degree in Poltical science but a minor in religion. (how I do graphic design for a living beats me..) I was also raised Catholic and spent K-12 in a private Jesuit school. Jesuits take no shit and are Catholicisms logical killer dogs.
I struggled with my own faith for a long time but have come to my own conclusions which I keep private. But I take scholarship in religion and how it relates to politics very seriously.
i do take issue with the modern christian fundamentalist movement in America today. It frankly scares me, especially as it's proponents move into positions of power now.
It's really nothing new - it's a cyclical part of christianity's history - but one I thought was in te past. Scary to see it flare up again.
You CANNOt argue with discipler on this stuff. He hand picks the facts and chooses to see what he wants to see and is bound by his faith in the Word of God as displayed in his interpretatio of he Bbe limit what can be known and what can't. You come at him from a purely scientific/logical frame of reference won't mean jack shit.
As I said it's one of christianities oldest survival tactics - co-option. It's other survival strategy was to insure that Christians would always feel persecuted - it's in the fundamental psychology of the religion.
Hence Christian fundamentals in the US claim persecution at every turn but no churches are burned, no bibles burned, no places of worship barred, and christian evangelicals are on my TV every Sunday. Yet to hear them talk they are a tiny minority scrambling against "mainstream" persecution.
Ow well...
- mrdobolina0
how old do you suppose those fossils are, discipler?
- Kes0
yes i know discipler. I'm just commenting on one complete coherent article, which is nonsensensical.
It takes a few quotes of certain people out of context and then posits it as "conclusevily all evolutionists agree there are not tranisition fossils", which is a completely false assumption,
and thne it attempts to show why all evoltionists agree there are no tranisitions - even though evolutionists do not think that.
that is why it is crap, and whole of answering genesis is crap
- subflux0
Yup, that's it Kes.....some had to evolve due to changes in environ, some didn't. And different environmental variable instanced different adaptations
[still in the parking lot, spinning another]
- discipler0
mrdobs, carbon dating methods are grossly inconsistent. There is geological support for a much younger earth:
- Kes0
despite science never observing anything beyond phenotypikal expression within a given genome.
discipler
(Jun 10 05, 13:40)
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yes but you cannot ask someone to explain how evolution can account for gender, and then when he explains to you, you turn around and say "oh but yeah, thats only if you believe evolution in the first place"how cunning!
- Mimio0
There's NO geological support for a 6,000 year old Earth. Sorry you're completely mistaken.
- Kes0
discipler, it seems we've answered everything you've posited effectively.
- discipler0
Yup, that's it Kes.....some had to evolve due to changes in environ, some didn't. And different environmental variable instanced different adaptations
-subflux
-------------------------------errrr, yet we lack any transitional fossils to support this. And yet we still have amphibians that never evolved, as well as primates. Look, for biochemical "machines" to function, you must first have all the parts available. Evolution cannot exert selective pressures on something that is non-functioning in the first place. The common sense behind this observation should be manifest to every person who does not have an episemological axe to grind.
- TheTick0
For anyone who is interested in learning more about spiritualism in the history of the West - a very enlightening subject - I cannot recommend more highly this bit of scolarship:
"Copming to Our Senses" By Morris Berman
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obido…
It's out of print but well worth picking up a used copy. An incredible thesis. It'll open your mind to alot of things.
- Kes0
"errrr, yet we lack any transitional fossils to support this. And yet we still have amphibians that never evolved, as well as primates"
again discipler, you're asking us one question - which we prove, and you can't reply to, then you change topic. You wanted an evolutionary account for amphibian, we gave it to you. Then you start talking about transition fossils?
cunning!
- mrdobolina0
do you believe that there were neanderthals? Why are they not mentioned in the bible? There were supposed to be millions of them and they were very close to what humans are today, regardless of whether or not you believe that humans evolved from them, do you think that they are older than 6,000 years old?
Intelligent design is not out of the question for me, but a 6,000 year old earth is.
- woodyBatts0
Discipler you should look into Theistic Existentialism.
“There are No Transitional Fossils”
male nipples.
appendix.
cocyx.
wisdom teeththere's a few transitional fossils I have
- Kes0
discpler, i can link upteen websites and copy and pasted a million sources displaying transitional fossils.
but that still wont be good enough for you
*gives up
- discipler0
kes, it seems you haven't. :) You have here multiple people who share your position posting bits of "information" which supports your position.
The surface of these issues has hardly been scratched. Which is why it is such a hot topic right now in the scientific community and why so many books on the subject are being published.
- TheTick0
Species do not evolve in vacuums. They're is predator/prey environments, natural environmental pressures, etc.
Without outside friction form these sources evolutionary pprocesses slow down. In high fristion environments evolution speeds up or more rightly diversifies. To claim that some species doin't evolve in a given environment while in other environmants there is vcaried and spectacular evoltuion doesn't in the least disporve evolutionary theory.
In given environments of low friction species have no imperitive to evolve and remain much as they are for millenia.
Oh, god, why do I bother....
- arinya0
well hold on...are you guys talkking about Evolution, when a species jumps and starts another species (Iguana to a squirel) or a species evolving and adapting to it's envirnoment but still lets say a frog but with build in poisons???
- Kes0
no discipler, it is not a hot topic in the scientific community. This is patently false.
Anyway, you're being evasive again, as is your wont.
people posting information that supports my position? and you havent posted anything that undermines my position?
mmm