Seal Culling
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- mrdobolina0
cant eat dolphin, they live too long and are too big, they are loaded with mercury, but that's a whole other can of worms.
- danthon0
Mr.D That's not the problem. eat dolphins for all I care, just don't waste them and throw their carcasses overboard out shear laziness.
Mimio
(Mar 30 05, 15:43)Then start a petition to have the seals fed to homeless peoeple... or sent to Sudan.
- lifeinbinary0
i haven't read through the entire thread so excuse my ignorance.
why are they 'clubbing' the seals? trying to balance the ecosystem has different schools of thought and is debatable, but whats with the fucking clubbing?!
- Mimio0
Solid,
I guarantee that atleast 80% of protestors are fully aware they're protesting in order to exploit the societal obsession with the spectacle. What's your point? Protestors are trying to win favor for an issue by bringing attention to it. It's no academic secret. The joke is on the lead-assed armchair political critics and the media. They're being used.
- spiralstarez0
this link is in need:
- Mimio0
sure Danthon,
While I'm at it I'll just tow a 36 megaton iceberg to the Sudan and solve all their problems in one fowl swoop.
- Solid0
Mimio - I have no problem with protesters, nor do I have an issue with their so-called advantageous manipulation / exploitation of the media - good on them.
My comments were directed at those who wouldn't normally be protesting - in other words the vast majority of us. It takes sensational images of blood on ice, earthquakes, deathtolls in the thousands and tens of thousands to spur them into action.
In the end, having those people take action even for a few moments is better than nothing - I don't think anyone would argue that. However, there is a thing called shame, and there is such a thing as collective shame. I am saying we have forgotten how to feel shame.
There were seals being clubbed to death before today. Of the people who died, became homeless etc. due to the tsunami, how many were already poor, suffering, disenfranchised, exploited? Why do we cast our gaze in their direction now?
My point is until we figure out a way to overcome this absence of shame, we are only applying a dwindling supply of bandages to the problem.
I'm saying, while we start petitions and letter-writing campaigns to for a given cause, let's also take a moment to discuss, debate, consider and address that larger problem. I think that is what harold was getting at as well (more or less ;)).
Are you and I really at great odds over this?
- lowimpakt0
for what it's worth - firstly mimio you don't win favour for an issue by calling people apathetic or lead-assed or not being open to question. Secondly, Im sure you know by now that (globalisation) protests are to a greater degree for the protestors themselves and protests rarely communicate the issues to the public clearly (depending on the issues) . It is what happens before and after that is really important.
I don't know what you do for a day job but I hope it is both effective and affective because you should be using your energy and mind bring about that change you want.
- unfittoprint0
protest is a sign of an healthy democracy.
accountability for a goverment's actions and policies.
Desire, need for a change.
checks & balance.
- lowimpakt0
agreed unfit. but it is healthier if the protest action carries through to actual results and change in policy and governance (and I was no longer satisfied with just protesting and writing letters so I gave up designing websites for pricks and am affecting change in the areas that I know how )
- Mimio0
Lowimpakt,
I never claimed they did. I said they're intent is to bring attention to the issue. Protestors rarely get the public forum to actually articulate anything other than a three word tagline. I don't think it's out of line to call someone apathetic if they obviously are being that way. Honestly, why would I argue ethics with a person who's not willing to establish their position beyond saying "It's pointless, why do it?".
- Solid0
Honestly, why would I argue ethics with a person who's not willing to establish their position beyond saying "It's pointless, why do it?".
Mimio
(Mar 30 05, 16:26)
----------------------Actually, if your referring to me ;) I don't actually recall saying that ..
- unfittoprint0
low, I don't know how things work in Ireland but in countries like Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany and especially France, the unions, students, non governmental organizations have a lot of strength regarding policy changing. And usually when people "hit" the street thry're voicing a big percentage of that countries population.
Protesting is, in most cases, the visible part of a growing feeling of unrest in a countries population.
A society that doesn't make its voice heard it's a society that deserves whatever its goverment decides. Wether they like it or not.
- Mimio0
Whatever, obviusly I'm pararphrasing,
Nothing has been said to convince me that applying government pressure to stop the pointless farming of seal fur coats is fruitless. In fact the record shows it's influencial.
- Solid0
Mimio - did you read my post (2 posts back)? I wasn't saying protesting is wrong or ineffectual.
- d5ive0
JIf this doesn't turn you stomach, then...
- d5ive0
There's plenty here to educate.
http://www.petatv.com/
- cola0
bump*
- 2cents0
nice... thanks for bumping this, currently defrosting some seal meat and am wondering how i should cook it.
rare?
- Jaline0
ask cola, she's an expert