I've suddenly got no job!
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- rabattski0
that sucks and good luck to you.
so they fired you and they outsource it to you? that's brilliant. you'll make way more money that way. but isn't that like hidden employment (dunno what you call it in english)? dunno what the rules are in england but for instance in holland, if you only have 1 client then you're considered employed and not freelancing. and if that's the case taxes will send a big nice fat invoice.
- UndoUndo0
fiken ell rabattski that sounds harsh. not sure if is the same here but if it is just get a couple of quick low cost jobs in?
- Wolfboy0
you may be right rabattski, I'll have to look into it, as I say, it's just my initial thoughts, as you say, it may well be illeagal.
so I will be looking for other stuff too.
- konspiracy0
know how u feel mate.
same was done to 7 of us at the now non-existant blackid.com.
came completely out of the blue (for us 7 anyway - ohbviously not the "moneymen")anyway, its the best kick in the ass i ever got. id been at the company two and a half years after comign fresh out of art college. i did learn a lot while i was there about the business and was lucky to be working with good designers and flash guys who i learnt a lot from too. i was getting too comfortable there i reckon.
sometimes a change is good.you'l be shitting yourself at the moment worrying where your next cheque will come from.
but if youve got a decent portfolio and stuff then you've no worries mate.
- Wolfboy0
cheers Konspiracy, thats the way I'm trying to look at it. I'm giving my self till Monday to get my portfolio sorted and then I'm going to really look at whats out there. I've been in the industry 3 years now so i've got some experience.
things could definately be worse.
- rabattski0
undo, i know it's harsh but hidden employment is very abuse sensitive. a company can save a lot of costs that way.
you say the outsourcing costs are more wolfboy but you're forgetting that a company has to pay social security etc.
for instance in holland, if you as a employee make 3K per month nett then the company actually pays rougly 9K. so if you outsource if for 6K you save 3K.
anyways, if it's really obvious they'll fuck you, if you have had various clients in the past and are working on one big ass job right now they won't cause any trouble.
again, that is holland.
- rabattski0
freelancing has a weird status in dutch taxes anyways.
- Wolfboy0
well, it will probably be my last day in the office today, I have a meeting with HR and I think I'm gonna try and squeeze them for a bit more money and then take it and run.
wish me luck.
I think I'm on top of my portfolio - buit it's a bit rushed. I've applied for 10 jobs already and today is gonna be spent getting on the books at design reqruitment places, see if I can get a nice bit of high paying Freelance stuff.
Then I will get shit faced while watching the Zutons tonight.
- Wolfboy0
Well, that's that. I've accepted redundancy. I've told them I'm not happy with the package and they are going to see if I can have any more (but I'm not holding my breath - literally or metaphoricaly).
And do you know what, I feel quite good about it now, I'm loking forward to something new....
whatever that may be....
- Wolfboy0
Yeah, I would have to agree with you there
- trevedda0
With regard to "hidden employment" in the UK the equivalent ruling is called IR35. It is the same as the dutch law effectively. If you work for one company on a regular basis, particularly if they were a previous employer you may be classed as an employee rather than a freelancer. It's a little complicated since it is also related to where you work, the hours you keep and the arrangement you have with regard to the work you do and when you do it. Getting another client is useful, BUT you can be classified as having TWO part time jobs for both companies. The ruling is very contentious since it is easier to run an effective freelance business with a few large clients rather than lots of small ones.
Things to avoid are working at the clients premises, using their equipment, keeping the same hours, being paid a regular or fixed amount each month rather than on a per job basis. Common sense view is that if you feel like an employee you probably are one. So if the contract they offer gives you T&C which are similar to your previous ones you will probably fall foul of IR35.
- Wolfboy0
cheers for that, useful info
- paraselene0
good luck, wolfboy!
- derek20050
undo undo is right on point.
- GeorgiePorgie0
ouch
- Wolfboy0
Chist, it sounds like a hassle to work in Holland!
- vburo0
yeah, true what rabattski said. they really made things complicated lately here.
- Chimp0
Shit dude, you got any freelance stuff to see u through?
hey whats that hand picked night like at the rocket? still havent manged to get along to that place yet.
- Chimp0
Shit dude, you got any freelance stuff to see u through?
hey whats that hand picked night like at the rocket? still havent manged to get along to that place yet.
- paraselene0
that's the perfect attitude to have, wolfboy. you gotta start believing in pronoia and just get out there on the street and shake it.