christ will come back(PBS)
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I'm with xao on simply believing that we just don't know, and probably never will, what its all about.
I think anyone that claims to understand otherwise is either very scared or very arrogant.
- discipler0
Science is flawed, Mimio. It's human. Again, if you do the research, you'll discover that there is a Biblical basis for much of modern science. The Bible describes many scientific principles and findings:
- 5ub5t80
definitely.
We never know things for sure.
Sometimes things are better left that way. The world would be a very boring place if we knew everything.
- Anarchitect0
liberal bearded man from palestine who believed in the Invisible Element.
whose teachings where hijacked by an institution that never should be.
killing in the name of the peace prophet.
entering Obscurantism phaseII.
- gruntt0
discipler - are you in the design field?
just curious.
- discipler0
yes, there's much we won't ever understand here in our flawed and finite world. I guess that, through my own personal journey and study, I've concluded that where-ever there is intelligent design, there must be an intelligent designer.
- xaoscontrol0
there's an article about that in Wired
- discipler0
"That doesn't answer my question.
"The bible says so" is not a good enough reason to dismiss other belief systems as wrong. What if the bible is wrong? Can you even coprehend that with your blinkered (and quite scary) view of the world?"
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My point is that I believe that there are compelling reasons based in factual evidence, to believe that the Biblical account is true.
- discipler0
xao, I read that article in the recent issue. I was surprised that they were as fair as they were. A little skewing of the facts, but nonetheless interesting that the issue has made it into wired.
- 2cent0
jeebus came back already... get with the times, he's come back as tfsmag and he's busting tre heelflips of some ledge at the moment.
end of topic... i don know where you're getting your facts from discipler dude.
- Dr_Jay0
"I've concluded that where-ever there is intelligent design, there must be an intelligent designer." — discipler
That seems like a reasonable conclusion. But to claim that you know who that designer is a giant leap.
If the big bang was caused by pure natural forces or "God" or a giant super-powerful space hamster from the 11th dimension... We humans don't KNOW... we can have theories or beliefs.
To claim that your "book" and "evidence" provide the answers for anyone other than yourself is just arrogant and seems narrowminded to me.
- discipler0
dr jay, I totally understand that and I know where you're coming from. And that was my objection at one point, too. And of course there's no way to "prove" that the God of the Bible is the "uncaused first cause". I'm just saying that I believe there is a powerful argument that suggests the God of Bible is that cause of all things. I'd like to recommend two books that actually treat this argument fairly exhaustively:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obido…
and
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obido…
both are by the same author.
- Dr_Jay0
sorry. I don't believe the answers to such questions are available in books.
My issue isn't with your beliefs as they relate to you. It's that you (and many others like you) seem to think that your "truth" is the truth for all of us...
Just seems arrogant to me that you think you KNOW something (God)... When you really just BELIEVE it. A big difference.
- mrdobolina0
discipler, do you make a dime everytime you sell a book on amazon?
Can you talk about something besides god, ever? It is becoming like a broken Stryper record.