Russian Siege
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- toastie0
I'm Russian and I've always felt sympathy for the Chechen people. I know alot of russians who consider them nothing more than vicious dogs and it has always upset me. This incident is going to reinforce this mentality, and i'm afraid something really ugly is going to happen there again. I sincerely doubt that the people of Chechnya cheered at the number of children killed in this horrible act. They know what it's like to lose their family and I guess that's the difference right there. Do you kill their children when they kill your child or do you close your eyes in hopes that maybe as painful as it is, your refusal to avenge them will somehow bring an endless conflict to an end. It horrifies that me to feel that if it was my child in there, I would join the army and kill every last one of them. Such is human nature, and it is pointless to try to analyze the horrible acts that we do. We can try to justify them if we know what it's like to be in a war, and we can condemn them if we have not, but we will never be able to stop this vicious cycle. That said, I hope that the people behind those who took over that school are found and brought to justice, but I pray that this will not cause a horrific backlash on the people of Chechnya and keeps up this ridiculous war.
- Bio0
damn. . .
damn.
... damn.
- exador10
100% in complete agreement with toastie..
as i watched the madness unfold, all i could think of (aside from wanting to cry for all those children and their parents) was
man, can you imagine what it must feel like to be joe blow average chechnyan man right now...some dude that works the 9 to 5, cares for his kids type thing..
he must be looking at the news today thinking...ahhhh fuck.....
i'm gonna get bombed for this shit...the bastards responsible never seem to really truly pay for their horrible crimes..
one way or another it usually ends up with regular joes getting bombed...there are, without a doubt some places in this world i am incredibly glad i dont' live in...
- witch0
exador1, 9 to 5, insurance benefits, 401K plan...
you have no fucking clue what the hell is going on in Chechnya. 10 years of war made this region one hell of the mess.
- palin0
this is so sad man..innocent ppl..children!..it's the end of the world!
- tank0
what drives the monsters?
its the money.decisions are made by what we call fixers,a wealthy educated and well adapted group in the terrorist factions.they make lots of money by this...thus its good for them to keep this in order.they give orders to the base,the madmen who have nothing to lose...and they execute those orders.
always the money.
- dave_bxcr0
100% in complete agreement with toastie..
my exgirlfriend works as a journalist for the unesco. she works for a cell that does research on what happens to a populationgroup after a genocide. she has travelled to tsjetjenia, afghanistan rwanda & more, talked to the victims and the killers. it gave me a broader view on things.as unfittoprint stated some days ago. there isnt much logic thinking anymore when youre whole family is slaughtered and youre raped.
the russian move was nothing more than a panic reaction and a fierce statement they dont give a fuck about civilian lives, they dont stand back for terrorists. what they dont realise is that these hopeless souls will keep coming. pretty much the same situation in iraq or israel or the upcoming terrorists moves in the west.
i havent got a clear solution for this problem either. far to complex, far too much hatred involved.
- mrtn0
the policy of russian special forces in this kind of situations is to eliminate all enemies, save hostages... if possible. the soviet understanding that interests of the state are superior to the interests of the citizens is still very much valid in russia.
- mbr0
This is all pretty muc the beginning of WWWIII, imho. Hopefully it will unite the world against terrorism and together everyone can put enough pressure of gov'ts to tkae care of their own asses, but that's probably too optimistic.
I hate to say it, but there has to be some dramatic efforts taken to solve any problems. The standard has been set with 911 and this, and if you are going to blow yourself up, you want to be on the front page. It will just get worse and worse, and there will be more wars soon.
I just pray priorities are not governed solely by money.
- ribit0
It seems that this wasn't a case Russian special forces exercising any policy... they simply weren't in control of the situation... i.e what happened depended more about professionalism and capability, rather than policy.
- dave_bxcr0
did you say hello to your neighbour today?
well in fact... do you know the person that lives right next to you?