Moriarty
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- aliendn
I'm just getting into Sherlock Holmes, and I've heard that Moriarty was possibly a figment of Sherlock's imagination? And there's stuff of Sherlock using needles or coke or something for contemplation purposes. This stuff is facinating, I wasn't aware of it before:
- Mimio0
I thought Holmes was a figment of Watson's imagination?
- g3kk0k1d0
i have heard of something simlar
- robotron3k0
later i heard sherlock holmes changed his first name to john, and, in the 70's, became somewhat of an overnight success in the burgeoning porn trade in the states...
- Kuz0
yeah, Holmes was a famous coke addict "Sharpens the mind Dr Watson!",
Imagine, you could go down to your local department store, like Harvey Nichols, and buy some good quality, luxurious coke off the shelf. None of this cut with cement and ketamines bullshit.
- robotron3k0
or baby laxative... ewww!
- Mimio0
I think Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was a coke-head. Many doctors of that day were into experimenting.
- aliendn0
i'm more interested in the moriarty thing than the coke. some say sherlock developed moriarty to overcome his failures.
- aliendn0
poe who inpsired doyle's detective/forensic stories was an opium hed
- unfittoprint0
The substance was opium.
Moriarty was pretty real, at least in the Reichenbach
Falls.http://www.amazon.com/exec/obido… SH played by the great Jeremy Brett. Must have.
note: altough I consider SH a Conan Doyle's masterpiece, one wonders if the two main characters are partially 'ripped' from 'The Crimes of Rue Morgue' by Edgar Allan Poe [1841]. The similarites are striking...
- Mimio0
That's the same explanation for Dr. Watson inventing Holmes.
- aliendn0
wow, interesting
- Mimio0
It's true, Holmes is based on Auguste Dupin.
- Kuz0
i'm more interested in the moriarty thing than the coke. some say sherlock developed moriarty to overcome his failures.
aliendn
(aug 11 04, 08:22)
--------------------------------...and we're more interested in the coke!!
*sees a £10 note and heart starts racing*unfit, i think it was both. In fact i'm pretty sure it was both substances. Also, i've heard many writer peple going on about how Doyle ripped off Poe. In fact Poe invented the detective story in the first place so is hard not to rip off. hmmmm, this would be an interesting post in the "inspiration thread"
- max_prophet0
ACD did infact base many of his characters on friends, family and accquantances from his home town of Edinburgh
- Kuz0
The idea of Moriaty is so funny. Just the fact that someone would have an arch nemesis. I want a nemesis too! Who wants to be my nemesis?
- unfittoprint0
it's not a question of inventing a detective story [many XVII tales of 'gentleman detectives' already existed].
It's the similarities of the main character [and helper], the analitical logic, assexual nature, love/hate relation with the police department, awkwardness of the crime, the 'eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth' philosophy...
I remember reading 'Morgue' and thinking this seems like a prequel to the Sherlock Holmes stories...
- aliendn0
yeah, poe was crazy dynamic like that. i dont know if doyle ever admited to being inspired by poe, but im pretty sure he did, so that would be like poe posting on QBN and being like "Doyle ripped my ish". But i always knew Poe only for his short stories and some poetry, but the guy wrote essays on criticisizing other authors, how to swindle people and he even wrote a novel! its about some guys shipwrecked on a boat and gets pretty morbid. I just wish i could grasp the language better.
- Kuz0
Ok, well on the back of my Poe anthology in school it said that Poe practically invented the MODERN detective story. So i guess there's something in that - modern thing.
But that's interesting about the Rue Morgue. I only seen the hammer horror film with Peter Cushing. Asexual? Billy Wilder made a film called The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes where it was more than implied Holmes was significantly homosexual and it freaked Watson out.
- unfittoprint0
in the XIX century assexual could meant homosexual LOL...
- aliendn0
haha