Nike vs. Apple
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- square006
Though Nike and Apple could both arguably be dirty... Doesn't Apple's business have the potential to constantly improve technology and thus possibly improve the world, but Nike simply makes overpriced clothes?
- mrdobolina0
if a new pair of shoes helps you run faster, is that making the world better?
- Soler0
They are made in the same factory, bro.
at any time either one could have a concience, but as of now they don't. strictly cash flow.
- silencer0
Must be the money.
- ********0
speaking of which I need new shoes and a new computer
- Soler0
Not to mention that a lot of sports are sponsored, and can only exist because of, [you guessed it] NIKE!
They go to 3rd world countries and start teams, provide hope, and even in this country build college gyms, support women's sport that are not profitable, etc.
wouldn't the world be worse off w/out that? better because of it?
- square0060
Good point, hadn't thought of that...
- Ekard0
think twice morons.
- fingercore0
I wonder if the same people that make Nike shoes and clothing understand that in the end, they are really benifiting because Nike is providing HOPE that they can one day join the NBA. I bet that message is a bit clouded on account of them earning slave wages. But I mean, if there were no Nike factories, those people would just starve--I guess Nike really is helping out!
I wonder how the people making Apple computers are getting paid? Not just the actual assembly, but the parts they use.
The fact that both corporations are motivated by turning a profit (that's the definition of why they exist, their product is just the means), I'd assume both engage in unethical labor practices.
Does this mean we should just not buy them? No, as most (if not all) computer and shoe companies probably act accordingly. We don't have much of an option, but let's not try to justify things buy saying that they provide HOPE for .00001% of third-world people.
- armin0
fact is: if somebody makes something in country where people are makes shit with their workers you cant say company is shit. nike, apple or...are big companys working all over the world and its happening that some crazy vietnamese putting shit on theur emplyees. im living in a country where that problem is very expected and beleive me i know what is the problem!
- tymeframe0
All the manufacturers have us in a tight spot being that our livlihood depends on these products (mine being apple computer).
What we can do is try our hardest to make our voices heard and hope for the best.
- Soler0
fingercore, wtf? .000001%?
I don't think so.I didn't mean we are giving hope to those in factories joining the NBA, I'm talking about SPORTS, and all of the sponsorships and teams they start all over the world.
Think about soccer in latin America and Africa, the list goe son and on.
I'm not saying it justifies slave labor, but i am saying the world would suffer in certain ways without the help of corporations like Nike. Especially in the 3rd world and olympic games.
- k0na_an0k0
think twice morons.
www.saigon.com/~nike
Ekard
(jun 14 04, 07:55)==
so many spelling and grammar errors and so little text.
- bob0
Two American success stories.
Though, I do not buy Nike products. I support New Balance, Saucony and Kelme.
http://www.newbalance.com/
http://www.saucony.com/
http://www.kelme.com/I took the leap of faith and purchased an Apple Powerbook three and a half years ago and not looking back.
- fingercore0
The third-world consists of BILLIONS of people. The olympic games and professional sports in general help only a tiny fraction of these people. It's a false hope at best.
- Soler0
Oh, and you don't need to assume they both use slave labor.
Read "No Logo", by Naomi Klein. she traveled the world looking at factories in "free trade zones" and found IBM's sittign next to Apples and Motorolla. they're all the same.
- fingercore0
As I said, all corporations engage in unethical labor practices. Not once did I say that Apple and Nike were alone. I just addressed them as they were the topic of the thread.
- k0na_an0k0
i guess i'm one of those guys who eats to live, not lives to eat. and only buys clothes for my back and shoes for my feet when i need them. now i've never bought a pair of nike shoes, not because of any slave labor bull-shit, but because the fuckers don't fit my high arched feet or i'd be sportin a pair of the shox in the gym.
my point. i don't get all bent out of shape at all the b.s. that most people do. i.e. animal rights, how chickens and cows are killed, slave and child labor.... i understand that shit exists and yeah, you'd better friggin believe i don't like it. but i can't get all bent up out of shape about it because you know what... that's about as fucking stupid as getting pissed off everytime you get stuck in traffic. you can't do a damn thing about it except acknowledge the fact that it exists and hope that the building/plant explodes with the suits in it.
- bob0
So I live and work in Kansas, I should get paid as though I live in California?
- Soler0
fingercore, we agree then. Both co.s are unethical.
But to say thay Nike's contributions to sports domestically and internationally is insiginificant is just plain wrong.
- fingercore0
I never argued their contribution to sports. I just said that in no way does this somehow justify unethical labor practices. I assure you, they do much more damage in the countries they exploit.