Iraq: Then & Now
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- Buckyball2
An informal poll - Do you think that Iraq was safer before the U.S. occupation or after?
I for one, am starting to think that is was safer before. Even under the rule of a dictator.
What do you think?
bB
- nLHb0
this question is so volitile... i bet it will get nasty!
i have never been to iraq so i don't think i can give a proper response, i do however think that the world was a better place before george w. was elected into the white house
- whiteSneaks0
well no shit. The rule of that dictator was why it was safer before. You step out of line and you are getting hauled off to prison.
You then erradicate a government that rules every part of the peoples' lives things tend to get a little out of control. In this case it is definitely a situation where things will get worse before they improve.
Patience it is going to be 5-10 years before Iraq is settled in to a new way of operating.
- Bluejam0
I reckon it's safer the average Iraqi now but alot unsafer for the rest of the world...we've let Old White Men™ into the Garden of Do As You Please© and it's a downward spiral from now on...
- ********0
I don't think you can really respond to something like this unless you have lived in a country under a dictator. The press never gets it right. Hard to explain I think
- whiteSneaks0
crazy old white guys have had their boney fingers all up in that region for very long time now.
long live the evangelicals and zionists
- Meeklo0
All I have to say is poor people, they finally escaped from a dictactor, and now they got anotherone..
I can understand there is mean people in that place and they probably needed to be punished somehow, but the whole country is paying for it now, all I ask, is imagine if you where born in that place, and you have nothing to do with terrorism, you just trying to have a normal life and suddenly, you loose your family, because they where going to school and on the way there, a bomb exploited.
It doesnt matter who started first, or if they have "terrorist intentions" or "freedom intentions" eventually they will hate the other side for taken their families away, and probably look for revenge...
Fight fire with fire, and that's what youll get.. more fire..I hope we all realize we are all brothers and sisters, and put and end to this madness, this needs to stop.
- Mimio0
I hope they can get it together and govern themselves. Something tells me they aren't going to be able to unify all these ethnic groups and factions.
- Lop0
Fast food. Faxes & Email. Other things take time. Our generation cannot comprehend this yet. Years and then you can conclude all you want.
- Soler0
5-10 years!!!?
That is CRAP. It's been 3 with Afghanistan and it is no better than before.
Unless the change comes from within, there is little hope for a real change
- ********0
Mimio's right, way too chopped up to begin with. Having someone ruthless at least put those factions in place. Very similar to others in history.
- ********0
When living in Southern Africa I noticed a few things. Psuedo-democracies (actually dictatorships, where heads of state change their own constitution in order to stay in power) are quite the rage today. BS, half of them don't work. Congo Kinshasa (former Zaire/Belgian Congo), Mocambique, Angola, Namibia, etc, etc.
- ********0
But like John Kerry you can view them as the lesser of the evils on the planet.
- Lop0
"That is CRAP. It's been 3 with Afghanistan and it is no better than before."
Afghanistan is a completely different operation. How can you compare the two? Strange that you would.
- whiteSneaks0
iraq is in very different boat than afghanistan. Iraq is pretty developed compared to some of their neighbors in the region. I think a decade will be enough time to see recognizable amounts of progress. The boat loads of money flowing into the Iraqi infrastructure should help also.
Afghans tend to be nomadic/tribal in nature. That loose system doesn't work well with western democracy. Warlords are the law, not a constitution.
- Soler0
Lop
I compare them in the way that we replaced their governments with our own thru military force, and now they hold no clout and the country is mostly in anarchy/ gang rule.
- Soler0
Agreed whitesneaks, but Irag is still very tribal, even saudi still is too. There are huge deserts and nomads- even in the richest arab nations. They all have dictators too, and they all have been relatively peaceful with each other in recent history... that is until the US and Britain stirred the pot and we have bombings in saudi and irag and afghan
- blaw0
I'm with nLHb on this... Loaded question, can't speak 'cause i've never been there, and bush is an asshole.
Soler touches a point that been one of my main complaints... Afghanastan sure could use the help. Too bad we're so involved elsewhere.
- Mimio0
You have to ask yourselves why dictators are the only ones who can rules these groups.
- Soler0
I don't think they are, Mimio.
- e-wo0
Iraq and Afghanistan will be similar like Hiroshima and Nagasaki are similar if they don't hurry up and "obey my dog!"
j/k. sorta.