Iraq: Then & Now
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- Mimio0
They're ignoring it. That might be a factor that keeps democracy out of Iraq.
- Soler0
They may be ignoring it, or they may be afraid for the lives of their families. Not an excuse, i think they need to rise up for themselves instead of an imposed rise-up
They have TV, news, they know what the world is like. the new generation has to want that.
- Mimio0
The Iraqis have no clue what's going on. Moqtada al-Sadr has been telling his people the US is being used by Israel to subdue them.
- Soler0
Yesh, Mimio, thats what I'm saying. They don't hace the desire. Change can't be imposed, it has to be wanted
- Soler0
"have the desire"
- lowimpakt0
are you saying that the Iraqi people wanted or didn't care about being oppressed.?
- Soler0
I'm saying they did and do care, yet they were obviously not at the boiling point of taking up arms themselves and overthrowing the govt.
Now that an outsider has done it for them, it robs them of pride and dignity. How can they be expected to accept the help of, as Mimio stated, a friend of their enemy, Israel?
- toastie0
they (we?) need to put Saddam back in power, apologize for all the inconvenience and get the f*ck out of there.
- nLHb0
psssssssssssssssht.
- Soler0
Hey, i didn't say i knew the solution toastie.
we're fuct now
- toastie0
i wasn't being sarcastic :)
- ********0
ultimately, it's all quite trivial if you think about it. The Earth is a speck of dust in the universe which might just be one of an infinite number of universes with an infinite number of what contains the infinite number of universes and so on and so on and so on. Stop thinking we are so important, regardless of atrocities.
- Soler0
you know, if we put him back in, he's gonna dig up all his wmd's and blow up the whole world!!!!!!!
- ********0
I'm optimistic. I think it'll all eventually work itself out. Once there's an interim government in place and other members of the UN keep pushing for more and more sovereignty. I think Iraq cud, in years to come, prove a beacon the rest of the middle east to reform.
But then that all depends on whether a fair solution to Palestine can be reached. Annexing all of Jerusalem, denying the Palestinians the right to return, and the cessession of only half the West Bank, is not a fair solution.
- ********0
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. You do have now the personal gun of Saddam Hussein.
Are you willing to give it to President al-Yawar as a symbolic gift, or are you
keeping it? (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: What she's referring to is a -- members of a Delta team came
to see me in the Oval Office and brought with me -- these were the people that found
Saddam Hussein, the dictator of Iraq, hiding in a hole. And, by the way, let me
remind everybody about Saddam Hussein, just in case we all forget. There were mass
graves under his leadership. There were torture chambers. Saddam Hussein -- if you
-- we had seven people come to my office. Perhaps the foreign press didn't see this
story. Seven people came to my -- they had their hands cut off because the Iraqi
currency had devalued. And Saddam Hussein needed somebody to blame, so he blamed
small merchants. And their hands were chopped off, their right hand.
"Fortunately, a documentary film maker went to Baghdad and filmed the -- filmed
these seven men. And their story was picked up around the nation, particularly in
Houston, Texas, where a person named Marvin Zindler, who runs a foundation, took
great sympathy and flew them over and had new hands put on. The latest prosthesis
were put on their hand -- were put on their arms. And their hands worked. I remember
the guy signing 'God Bless America' with his new hand in the Oval Office.
"So this is the person. So needless to say, our people were thrilled to have
captured him. And in his lap was several weapons. One of them was a pistol. And
they brought it to me. It's now the property of the U.S. government. And I am --
I am -- it -- I'm grateful for their bravery. I'm also grateful that that part of
the mission was accomplished, for the good of the Iraqi people."
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. You do have now the personal gun of Saddam Hussein.
Are you willing to give it to President al-Yawar as a symbolic gift, or are you
keeping it? (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: What she's referring to is a -- members of a Delta team came
to see me in the Oval Office and brought with me -- these were the people that found
Saddam Hussein, the dictator of Iraq, hiding in a hole. And, by the way, let me
remind everybody about Saddam Hussein, just in case we all forget. There were mass
graves under his leadership. There were torture chambers. Saddam Hussein -- if you
-- we had seven people come to my office. Perhaps the foreign press didn't see this
story. Seven people came to my -- they had their hands cut off because the Iraqi
currency had devalued. And Saddam Hussein needed somebody to blame, so he blamed
small merchants. And their hands were chopped off, their right hand.
"Fortunately, a documentary film maker went to Baghdad and filmed the -- filmed
these seven men. And their story was picked up around the nation, particularly in
Houston, Texas, where a person named Marvin Zindler, who runs a foundation, took
great sympathy and flew them over and had new hands put on. The latest prosthesis
were put on their hand -- were put on their arms. And their hands worked. I remember
the guy signing 'God Bless America' with his new hand in the Oval Office.
"So this is the person. So needless to say, our people were thrilled to have
captured him. And in his lap was several weapons. One of them was a pistol. And
they brought it to me. It's now the property of the U.S. government. And I am --
I am -- it -- I'm grateful for their bravery. I'm also grateful that that part of
the mission was accomplished, for the good of the Iraqi people."
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. You do have now the personal gun of Saddam Hussein.
Are you willing to give it to President al-Yawar as a symbolic gift, or are you
keeping it? (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: What she's referring to is a -- members of a Delta team came
to see me in the Oval Office and brought with me -- these were the people that found
Saddam Hussein, the dictator of Iraq, hiding in a hole. And, by the way, let me
remind everybody about Saddam Hussein, just in case we all forget. There were mass
graves under his leadership. There were torture chambers. Saddam Hussein -- if you
-- we had seven people come to my office. Perhaps the foreign press didn't see this
story. Seven people came to my -- they had their hands cut off because the Iraqi
currency had devalued. And Saddam Hussein needed somebody to blame, so he blamed
small merchants. And their hands were chopped off, their right hand.
"Fortunately, a documentary film maker went to Baghdad and filmed the -- filmed
these seven men. And their story was picked up around the nation, particularly in
Houston, Texas, where a person named Marvin Zindler, who runs a foundation, took
great sympathy and flew them over and had new hands put on. The latest prosthesis
were put on their hand -- were put on their arms. And their hands worked. I remember
the guy signing 'God Bless America' with his new hand in the Oval Office.
"So this is the person. So needless to say, our people were thrilled to have
captured him. And in his lap was several weapons. One of them was a pistol. And
they brought it to me. It's now the property of the U.S. government. And I am --
I am -- it -- I'm grateful for their bravery. I'm also grateful that that part of
the mission was accomplished, for the good of the Iraqi people."
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. You do have now the personal gun of Saddam Hussein.
Are you willing to give it to President al-Yawar as a symbolic gift, or are you
keeping it? (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: What she's referring to is a -- members of a Delta team came
to see me in the Oval Office and brought with me -- these were the people that found
Saddam Hussein, the dictator of Iraq, hiding in a hole. And, by the way, let me
remind everybody about Saddam Hussein, just in case we all forget. There were mass
graves under his leadership. There were torture chambers. Saddam Hussein -- if you
-- we had seven people come to my office. Perhaps the foreign press didn't see this
story. Seven people came to my -- they had their hands cut off because the Iraqi
currency had devalued. And Saddam Hussein needed somebody to blame, so he blamed
small merchants. And their hands were chopped off, their right hand.
"Fortunately, a documentary film maker went to Baghdad and filmed the -- filmed
these seven men. And their story was picked up around the nation, particularly in
Houston, Texas, where a person named Marvin Zindler, who runs a foundation, took
great sympathy and flew them over and had new hands put on. The latest prosthesis
were put on their hand -- were put on their arms. And their hands worked. I remember
the guy signing 'God Bless America' with his new hand in the Oval Office.
"So this is the person. So needless to say, our people were thrilled to have
captured him. And in his lap was several weapons. One of them was a pistol. And
they brought it to me. It's now the property of the U.S. government. And I am --
I am -- it -- I'm grateful for their bravery. I'm also grateful that that part of
the mission was accomplished, for the good of the Iraqi people."
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. You do have now the personal gun of Saddam Hussein.
Are you willing to give it to President al-Yawar as a symbolic gift, or are you
keeping it? (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: What she's referring to is a -- members of a Delta team came
to see me in the Oval Office and brought with me -- these were the people that found
Saddam Hussein, the dictator of Iraq, hiding in a hole. And, by the way, let me
remind everybody about Saddam Hussein, just in case we all forget. There were mass
graves under his leadership. There were torture chambers. Saddam Hussein -- if you
-- we had seven people come to my office. Perhaps the foreign press didn't see this
story. Seven people came to my -- they had their hands cut off because the Iraqi
currency had devalued. And Saddam Hussein needed somebody to blame, so he blamed
small merchants. And their hands were chopped off, their right hand.
"Fortunately, a documentary film maker went to Baghdad and filmed the -- filmed
these seven men. And their story was picked up around the nation, particularly in
Houston, Texas, where a person named Marvin Zindler, who runs a foundation, took
great sympathy and flew them over and had new hands put on. The latest prosthesis
were put on their hand -- were put on their arms. And their hands worked. I remember
the guy signing 'God Bless America' with his new hand in the Oval Office.
"So this is the person. So needless to say, our people were thrilled to have
captured him. And in his lap was several weapons. One of them was a pistol. And
they brought it to me. It's now the property of the U.S. government. And I am --
I am -- it -- I'm grateful for their bravery. I'm also grateful that that part of
the mission was accomplished, for the good of the Iraqi people."
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. You do have now the personal gun of Saddam Hussein.
Are you willing to give it to President al-Yawar as a symbolic gift, or are you
keeping it? (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: What she's referring to is a -- members of a Delta team came
to see me in the Oval Office and brought with me -- these were the people that found
Saddam Hussein, the dictator of Iraq, hiding in a hole. And, by the way, let me
remind everybody about Saddam Hussein, just in case we all forget. There were mass
graves under his leadership. There were torture chambers. Saddam Hussein -- if you
-- we had seven people come to my office. Perhaps the foreign press didn't see this
story. Seven people came to my -- they had their hands cut off because the Iraqi
currency had devalued. And Saddam Hussein needed somebody to blame, so he blamed
small merchants. And their hands were chopped off, their right hand.
"Fortunately, a documentary film maker went to Baghdad and filmed the -- filmed
these seven men. And their story was picked up around the nation, particularly in
Houston, Texas, where a person named Marvin Zindler, who runs a foundation, took
great sympathy and flew them over and had new hands put on. The latest prosthesis
were put on their hand -- were put on their arms. And their hands worked. I remember
the guy signing 'God Bless America' with his new hand in the Oval Office.
"So this is the person. So needless to say, our people were thrilled to have
captured him. And in his lap was several weapons. One of them was a pistol. And
they brought it to me. It's now the property of the U.S. government. And I am --
I am -- it -- I'm grateful for their bravery. I'm also grateful that that part of
the mission was accomplished, for the good of the Iraqi people."
- Mimio0
Kuz,
That's exactly what everyone said about Beirut Lebanon.
- ********0
ahh this thread is so doomed for deletion
- ********0
Well obviously. But there was never a fair solution to Palestine was there? Even the other day Israel launched strikes on Beirut. That's the crux of the problem. The US needs to give up its Israel fetish.
- Mimio0
I agree, but it's never going to happen. Too many fundies here in the US.