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- BonSeff0
god i hope i didnt come off like a complete ass with that last post.
- BonSeff0
i should also mentoin that my arguement is slanted towards designers.
what about developers?
along the online arguement. shit, they create a lot of great shit as well. i think our same dilemma is felt with developers toowhat do you all have to say?
- ********0
"...but what percentage these "professionals" are compare to the self-taught types. A real mess!!"
hey! I am a self-taught designer, and I know a lot of educated professionals back in the Netherlands who look up to me and my dedicated and professional approach to this profession. But I see your point, when I went to bed last night I tought quite a bit about all this, in one way it wouldn't be too bad if it'd become a protected profession like lawyer or surgeon. I'd be going back to school immediatly..
I am afraid though it will never be possible, as anyone has the right to design anything. (eg. the musician making his own album sleeve etc.).But I completely agree with what jk said in this and the other thread, you should examine your 'self-worth' and calculate your price based on that. After all, it is still a free profession.
I spend a LOT of hours and cash on learning in this biz, reading books/magazines, visiting conferences etc.etc.
At one point in my life I want to be paid back.
oh and I do work against hourly rate, namely 55 Euros per hour, clients seem to like it better this way, although I never really calculate the hour but estimate an amount based on the required knowledge/effort for a job.
One day I calculate 20k Euros for a job that takes 2 weeks work (but slightly more effort in planning and outsourcing), the other day this may be just 1k.
It's what I honestly like about it all.
One day you are king, next day you are street sweeper.
It's our profession, you better get comfortable with it.
:)
- ********0
"The question is what do you offer society, and how do you feel about increasing consumption and increasing the gap between the rich and poor...
"why does everyone assume everyone is designing commercial shit here?
I earned the most of money with designjobs with clients like a University and other institutions like that..
Am I really the only one NOT working for Nike here?
- sweetasbro0
I think the real question is do you help others through your design? or do you design to promote yourself? think before you answer
- JamesEngage0
I'm working for Mike.
- ********0
if I fail to help others, I should find another job, simple as that, sweetasbro.
on another note:
how much do you spend on education/inspiration etc?
and how do you include these costs into the price for designwork?
better education == better design.
education costs money, good design idem dito.
- Jade0
Think about the gap between the rich and poor, and then consider what it is you create...
Even Uni's dont serve everyone as they should... but hey I am an idealist...
- Dolan0
JK, thanks. The article obviously describes a problem but just charging adequately isn't the answer. If the AIGA has done one think well in the last couple years it's been doing some of the theory behind *educating clients* in the process of Design, not just the end product. Sure, when a client comes to us, they have a need and want a specific deliverable (identity, website, etc), but what we provide is more ... and therefore it's more valuable. The comparison to a lawyer or accountant is apt because what is really worth the money with these professionals is not just the work they deliver for you, but the advice they give you, and the way they educate you to think about your legal or financial matters. We deliver design, sure --- but we also help companies think about design in new ways, often helping them do things that they hadn't even imagined. Clients who don't see an investment in design as great value for their dollar can just call elance, that's fine with me, as I'd rather not waste time on them.
- ********0
I think this industry would probably benefit from a certification degree. Not that non-certified designers couldn't have a job, but it would be up to the client to choose a certified designer or a non-certified designer.
- professor0
Those of you who want to see a certification requirement for designers need to understand that such requirements for doctors, lawyers, and other professionals are designed to protect their CLIENTS from very serious consequences. They are not in place to protect the wages of said professionals.
- mrdobolina0
very true, professor.