is hiphop dead?
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- ********0
what's the recipe?
- unfittoprint0
the day hip-hop died
- ********0
a tribute to the fallen rap trends:
- ********0
good call unfitt
- _roh0
i have to wonder whether the people posting here actually know what hip hop is...?
videogames killed hip hop? where does that come from i dont understand, i am a bboy, MC, writer, producer and havent seen hip hop die, its lways alive, when i go and train with my crew, when i send and receive tracks to and from my mates all around aust and everytime i hear something fresh like the new Atmoshere...
i think maybe before you jump in and say things about hip hop being dead, acually know what hip hop IS
no dissrespect intended_peace
- truemaxim0
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- RAZA0
I dont think that!
Now the hip hop is in that way: Cars,girls,sneakers,money & drugs!
50 cents, Biggie,Tupac,Jay-z,Nas,etc...the... make money and hip-hop.
- RAZA0
also hip-hop is not just music, now we have a lot of writers, b-boys,producers making good shit!!!
- _roh0
ok you obviously dont REALLY KNOW what hip hop is so...
HIP HOP= expression of self in the four main elements (which is growing but these are the main ones)
-MCing-intelligent, relevant lyrics
-DJing-turntablism, tricks sets and production
-Aersol-aersol art (graffiti and street art are bullshit and not hip hop)
-Bboying/bgirling-breakdancing to break beats (the real kind not the house rip offs)all these elements should be reflected in the rhymes and attitude of the song/crew/ and their overall message and ideals are focused around these elements
as for RAP...
- enobrev0
rap is a sub genre of hip hop.. stop fooling yourself. it's a beast we've created and lost control of.
rap vs. hip hop. fuck off... where do you think it came from?!?! the loss of control is on us, not 'them'.
- _roh0
Rap is the commercial, diltued, corporate whore non-senesical mass marketed bullshit. It stands for nothing except disgusting capitalist bullshit, it promotes violence, drug use and worst of all mysigony.
i hate it when people think that 50cent is hip hop, if anything 'pop-rap' (as someone stated before) and contributes nothing to the overall ideals that surround hip hop
hip hop is about expression, positivity and evolution, please keep that in mind...i know this vecause i am an avid supporter and contributor to hip hop, hosting and organising bboy comps etc.
oh and for the record these elements have been in effect from the start they arent just coming up NOW...
- ********0
lets ask the latter shall we..
are you dead mr hiphop??
maybe someone or something else already asked...or answered
- _roh0
we as hip hoppers didnt create RAP, it was a media invention created to exploit hip hop to the masses via record labels, its all based around the old saying 'any publicity is good publicity' ice T and his cop killer songs and all that were USED to create controversy to middle class white american adolecents, before that it was all about the elements. do you wonder why it died out from media coverage after the eighties? because the media dismissed it as a fad, and everyone listened. The real kids kept it going and now people are making money off it again so its on TV
its all bullshit in any case i do agree that it is a subgenre of hip hop, but it now has nothing to do with hip hop at all (except in the aesthetics of sound)
- enobrev0
oh that's all shit.. created?!?!?!
what have you been listening to? are you saying the corporate moguls put the first mention of crack and violence in the music?!
- enobrev0
and it was never all about the elements.. it was all about having a good time and having no money. it was all about living and when people got the chance to make a living off of it, they took it.
but show me one point in time when it was indocrinated that graff writers and bboys and djs and mcs are all hip hop is.
most graff writers i've known dont even listen to the music, and bboys can bust shit to anything...
- _roh0
no, im not saying the corporate guys wrote the words or anything, but they promoted it and created a market for it. it tapped into the ethnic community in los angeles (and all the gang members etc) and exploited the likes because that was a fantasy that many adolecents dreamed of, being tuff gang bangers who smoked crack and drove lowriders...before that was promoted hip hop was (and should always be) associated with positivity
i listen to all types of hip hop and i know my roots fairly well, not well enough to know everything, but enough to know why shit is the way it is now
what do you listen to?
- _roh0
i agree about graffiti art (it was started ages ago in caveman times if you want to get technical) i am an aerosol artist and have been for 8 years and i listen to all sorts of shit (metal, d&b) but hip hip is what introduced me to it. its because if its rise in popularity that its is associated with hip hop, and because alot of artiists banded togther back then, which created the 'elements'
im also a bboy (for about 4 years) and know that technically if you dont 'dance' to breaks then its not 'breakdancing' so no you cant bboy to anything, you can do windmills in the street with no music but thats not 'dancing' is it? dancing is about the interpretation of the music through bodily movements, breakdancing has evolved the way it has because of the music people moved to. i never break to anything but old school and new school breaks and so do my crew and all my mates. if i did the same moves to country and western music it woudnt be the same
- enobrev0
i listen to everything i've got time to listen to.. regardless of genre, mostly shit that's not on the radio.
all i'm saying is that the shit on the radio is created by talented cats that have just as much to do with the 'culture' as anyone else. they just happen to be making a living off of it.
i get really tired of the whole elitest idea of your hip hop and my hip hop. it's all a load of shit
the music has always had it's ugly side and thats what made it worth listening to.. cuz it was honest.
bboys always had tehir corner on the dancefloor, but most people just dont give a damn (dont get me wrong, i'm part of one of the well known bboy crews in chicago), and i don't blame them...
graff writers don't give a fuck about hip hop and most graff is shit anyways...
there are incredible ideas behind the whole thing, but there's also a shitload of bad ones, and the whole thing will never change as long as elitest cats go out of thir way to split it into 'ours' and 'theirs'.
- ********0
aye now believe in trip hop!!
byebye hiphop..
except my old Wu-TangClan records amongst few others
- enobrev0
you gotta open up some more... listen to other music, break to other shit, write on something besides a wall, accept responsibility for the culture you claim... all of it.