"experimental"?
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- canadian
what ever happened to "experimental sites" when people fucked around and discovered more than the polished portfolio sites we see too frequent now?
- jevad0
being 'experimental' doesn't get you a solid job anymore.
- Bluejam0
"Experimental" found itself on T-shirts and coffee mugs and posters.
All for a quick buck.
- JazX0
they still around just that now the economic situation, especially in the US, is not that great. I think this pushes people to do cleaner and tidier design, so they can find work.
- mitsu0
i never had a problem with experimental, but i always hated the 'lab' thing... so naturally i can't stand experimental labs...
i do like black labs though..
- Duane0
i agree. even studio and agency sites have gotten considerably more conservative. i guess most can't afford to take as many chances these days. things go in cycles...the fun will be back.
- subSTANCE0
cause employers arn't really interested in the fact you can make an orange circle multiply everytime you click it... they want to see if you can make corporate poop...
people realize they need that poop to get a job I guess?
- paulrand0
they've been incorporated into car ads and the like
- unknown0
nice one mitsu.
- PrayStation0
just to play devil's advocate.
I don't agree.
http://www.joshuadavis.com/clien…
here's some work, Designer Orion Tait and myself are jamming on right now for a client. now, whether you like the radioactive fluorescent nuclear acid trip is subjective.
I think I'd much rather work on projects like this - than some of my clients when I first started out. And I got these jobs and clients by not giving a fuck about what people thought... and just experimented.
what you build is what you get hired to build.
- Duane0
'what you build is what you get hired to build.'
true, it is what you make of it and hats off to you for attracting a client that was looking for more subjective work. your hard work has paid off and you get great clients. i think he was being more general in his references to the lack of experimental work these days. there are always the exceptions...
and that looks like an exceptionally cool start to a site.
- unknown0
ehhh Josh but to be honest we can count those people who get paid for their crazy experimental designs, you know the "lucky ones".
the rest of us got to shovel the poop
- jg_20
word
- XC010
alot of sites are pretty much a reflection of a designers personal style.
that include a portfolio section.
ie corporate work.
and an experimental section.thats what I plan to do.
if a potential client sees somthing they like in the experimental section. they can build a brief around it.
- mikotondria20
:), my favorite and long standing client, Paul Edge pretty much lets me run loose with his site..
http://www.djpauledge.com
There is an overhaul due for Sep 8 launch, and I basically get to do whatever the hell I want, although I agree about what pays the bills recently is more staid.
People are taking less drugs, oh, and clients are less willing to spend their money on something that doesnt make them appear straight laced and solid, they have jittery druggless, skint shareholders, remember.
We have, imho, just rounded the cusp of the right wing backlash to drug fuelled 90s, when, lets face it, at one point I new one person with a paying job and went out from Tuesday till Monday night. Then the global republican/world bank syndicates realised their monopoly on the system was fucked if they didnt get everyone indoors and sat down, and hey ho, 10 years later thats what we're all doing. Reduce the money supply to the middle and working class over educated intelligensia, chuck in a war now and then, to keep everyone too anxious to ever really relax in between credit card payments, turn the News into 'After Effects Plugins with a spattering of ill informed sound bytes' and things are just about on an even keel.
Techno hasn't quite got buried in the aftermath of the dance music explosion, which daily rains around our ears amid reports of dropping club attendances and poor shite superstar dj cd sales.
Real music is back, no glitz no fluff, and no - its not nu suburban punk wave goth core, and its not that friggin _insertgeneric genre_'clash' with sodding lesbian robots talking vocoded nothings over sad 80's DX7 loops, as a vic 20 game loop plods sedentarily into 8-bit oblivion.
Check out some of the mixes on Pauls site and you'll see what I mean...people need real fucking techno, bang bang bang, bang - turn it right up, turn the fucking lights off, and wear scruffy trainers, for christs sakes.
Stop drinking.
Fuck trance, fuck 'lounge-core' (WTF?), fuck coked up glitzy shitey de-de-dee trace and all its underage, clueless muppetted insurance broker followers who think they invented going out and getting nutted at some mass market corporate shitehole where you actually have to wear fucking shoes to get in, and fuck their black rimmed glasses wearing media type mates who, when they're not stood around sniffing prattishly at the back of a Hoxton club on an 'aha-clash Wednesday', are sat glued to their friggin G5s knocking out souless cookie cutter nu-corporate Helvetica Neue garbage rather than throwing themselves under a friggin train at the earliest opportunity.
- chokethefat0
experimental..umm..just moved to TO, and i dont get to do a single experimental, very creative, funky, outtathere design for clients at all here..only 1 actually, thats it.
i'm like..um..y did i come here for..should have gone to the UK or France or Japan or stay in Aus or go to Mars..working for the aliens would be wicked? well most probably they've developed n are working with Flash 67 ultra diamond remix edition..but i love TO..people are wicked.
- chokethefat0
so i say
choke the fat
and u say
eat the cat
then
we all see black
- jg_20
i agree in 85,55555% with you, mikotondria2... but i am not sure on that "hard_techno_fuck_trance" stuff.
- jeeto0
I agree with most the comments but also the other reson why experimental sites have now gone away is that peoples portfolios have actually been filled. Experimental sites were in place of a solid commercial portfolio. If you dont have clients then why not be your own.
Whats intersting as well is that there were 2 waves of experimental sites. The first sites on the web were all experimental and balls out. And it was the content that was ingenious. Then the .com content boom hit and fucked it all up as we saw... other meduims content wasnt relative to the web. They missed the point. Then wave 2 is what youre talking about... experimental flash/director /artsy work. Portfolios got big and clients/employers didnt get it as they werent/arent in the creative realm usually. Additionally when any of us only have 10 minutes of free time who wants to hunt for the meat of the site.
Just a thought.
- ChumleyUK0
I find that the bitterest people are the least successful in what ever they do... And i miss the labs, those hanging labs, yah?
- CyBrainX0
I think the other part of this phenomenon doesn't have much to do with money. A lot of pure experimental sites 3 years ago were set up to learn, entertain and have fun. The business aspirations were in the serious portfolio in another site.
I think people in design have taken such a hit in the morale, that they aren't passionate about what they do anymore.
However, I still see some experimental stuff out there. I'm still trying.