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- subSTANCE
Woah... I just watched a huge segment on CNN...
It discussed how "the recording industry" is now starting a campaign to search out users on the internet who are sharing "significant amounts of music"... once those users are caught (they also discussed how easy it is to locate a user under particular laws that internet providers must adire to)... they stand to be sued for up to $150 000... granted an expert said it will never likely get that high... maybe $10 - 12 000... but still... just listening to the segment was nuts!... how silly is that!?
thoughts?
- subSTANCE0
I really should have just posted this link!
- exador0
when someone shuts the door, someone else always opens up a window...
it's pandora's box..
everytime they try to shut file sharing down, someone smart comes along and figures out a whole new way to do it, outside the confines of the latest law...information wants to be free, so ive heard...
they'll sue a few unlucky folks, and try to make examples out of em, and some will get fucked...and some most likely will fight, and we'll see it end up on CNN..
meanwhile, 12 new filesharing technologies will emerge, and life will go on.support artists wherever and whenever you can.
buy.
BUY cds of your fav artists.
the ones you KNOW are worth it.as for the rest of the radio garbage foisted on us by the recording industry...
download that shit, man..
- davetufts0
That's not NEWS - it's CNN protecting it's parent's assets...
CNN is owned by Time-Warner (TBS/AOL)
Time-Warner also owns a large percent of the recording industry: Atlantic, Elektra, Warner Bros., EMI, even Sub Pop.
Time-Warner can disguise it's own scare tactics as news on CNN (or in Time Magazine, People, HBO, etc...)
Without suing anyone, they can probaly scare enough people with news that protects their own interests.
- mitsu0
once these 'artists' reveal themselves, their popularity will diminish and going after empeethree traders won't be en vogue anymore.
it's a losing battle, they're just hurting themselves.
- CyBrainX0
It's been an all out war since they shut down Heaven. I mean Napster. Now, I'll oppose them or step around them in any way I can. I suggest we all do the same. There will be an answer to this soon enough.
- swollenelbow0
the mutherfuckers! can't they just sit on their pile of millions they already have and shut the fuck up! let me download my justin timberlake in peace.
- mbr0
Read through PC Magazine. They always have updates about this fiasco and how the music industry is in termoil. It's only a matter of time before they die.
There are artists (and labels) that are sending out false files, with trojan horses, fake this or that, etc. Madonna did this and her site was attacked by serious hackers and her album sales slumped. It's pretty simple. Piss the people off and they'll retaliate. I will never buy an album of hers (not that I did, beyond the BMG freebies a decade ago) or any other group that does this. I hate Metallica for fighting Napster and would never pay for an album of theirs or a concert.
It's simple economics. Why they can't see this is beyond me. I guess it's cheaper to fight, and I guess I would too if it meant my lively hood, but it's all f*cked up, to say the least.
Death to the record labels, long live enterprising bands!
- davetufts0
file sharing is the problem with the recoding industry
The Problem With Music - by Steve Albini
http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr…
- enobrev0
great link dave
- blend30
Things will just go underground. Files will be passed from friend to friend over secure VPN connections. Nothing to it. Technology is already available. All this legal nonsense does is that it will just make things harder for the recording industry. They have somehow missunderstood what their business is about. It is not about marketing another pop star once a month, but selling people information about new rising artists. Formerly studio equipment was expensive and the financing part was big. Now just about anybody can afford a digital recording studio. The industry structure is changing and they don't still get it.
- blend30
Things will just go underground. Files will be passed from friend to friend over secure VPN connections. Nothing to it. Technology is already available. All this legal nonsense does is that it will just make things harder for the recording industry. They have somehow missunderstood what their business is about. It is not about marketing another pop star once a month, but selling people information about new rising artists. Formerly studio equipment was expensive and the financing part was big. Now just about anybody can afford a digital recording studio. The industry structure is changing and they don't still get it.
- enobrev0
well, not exactly underground, but definitely not so much in the public eye. I mean far before mp3's were even well known or even laws regarding such things, i recall giving people wavs of the latest underground shit.. it was all modems, but shit download 6 songs for free overnight on a free aohell account in 95.. wasn't a bad deal
the good and bad part of mass music and movie sharing is that it became so easy and well known that people were talkign about how much they downloaded in public.
The good part was that there were more contributors, the bad part being what is beginning to come about.
I mean when people talk about stealing in the media, it's like the idiot holding a tv he just looted accepting the interview on national tv and then wondering why the hell he got locked up the next week.
'trading' apps, pictures and sometimes large files holding short video or songs has been going on for EVER (computer timeline). But the spot's been blown, just like any good spot with irresponsible outside members...
just like your favorite "secret" weed spot. enough secrets go around and next thing you know your spot's on the news and there's a drought for a few weeks while everyone scrambles for a new supply.
File swapping is ubiquiotous, but the primary issue is how open everyone decided to be about it.
I still don't speak easy of the subject, regardless of how many people are into it, and every time uncle joe or mr manager type brags about all their free shit at coctail parties and gatherings, it gets harder and harder to maintain this great thing we've had.
and as for everyone trying to defend their actions, you're a fucking thief. accept it. I don't care if you enjoy it or do it on occasion, you're a thief. This is not a judgement, just a reminder.
And as for the hate of the riaa, we built this organization. That 34 Billion (emphasize the B) dollars is not taken from our paychecks, it's taken from our hands as we hold it out to them. If you REALLY want to change music distribution, convince your favorite artist that once they're no longer marketed on a grand scale, that you will still buy their shit.
And if any business minded folks are out there who might be interested in starting a new music distribution and marketing model, i'm in.
- unfittoprint0
That's it! I'm downloading Justin Timberlake's stuff. For the first time.
Ok, ok. Sixth time.
- mbr0
I think it's a little extreme to generalize that everyone is simply a thief. I am listening to Elliot Smith that I downloaded. I also have a CD my friend burned of one of his CDs. I've never bought any of his CDs, but once his new one is out I will because I like his other stuff.
I also just bought the White Stripes because I could hear it, over and over, before I bought it (having CD quality sound is nicer than any MP3 on a good system).
I don't consider myself a thief at all. To the contrary, I consider myself to be helping bands by listening to their stuff that I otherwise would have passed over.
I should be thanked. Any bands want to hand out some free stuff ;-)?
The music industry will die quickly now, with this absurd legislation. I'll spend the rest of my years fighting them and trying to destroy credibility if they so much as attempt to hack into my computer. I'll do the same for any band that supports these measures
- enobrev0
well, don't get me wrong mbr, i wasn't saying it's not helpful to the artist. I'm not even going to argue as to what's fair use and what isn't.
Accroding to current american law, though, you're a thief.
Now, as I also said, that's not a judgement, and some people here know exactly why not.
My point is that electronic 'fair use' has been made illegal. So 95% of the arguements I hear are excuses. Just like looting is an excuse.. similar to well, the window was already broken and if i didn't take it someone else would.
2 years ago, it was fair use, but unfortunately lobbyists and their rich buddies made us into theives...
what i'm really trying to get at though is an excuse is a short term approach, and waiting for them to come up with more ways to rob us is just bad...
i mean they make 35 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR (not yelling, just emphasizing the size of that amount). They are NOT going away because we think they suck. they CAN afford to sue as many people as they deem necessary. Unfortuantely, nobody is really stopping their music purchases.
the true, long term solution is to make the current players obsolete as well as convincing the government that their laws on fair use are too incredibly strict and are now helping the big guy, and not so much the little guy they were intended to help.
- unknown0
they fucker wont hunt we will find more ways to get free music f*ck the music mafia
- blend30
I would claim that p2p file swapping is actually helping selling records. Just look at the figures and compare to spending on other entertainment goods during an economic downturn. Compare recording industry profits/sales now and 20 years ago. People are not going to stop buying hit records.
The thing they are really worried about is that the recording industry has lost control of the distribution channel. It used to be that they were totally controlling the media (bottle neck) and could keep down the variety of music available out there. Now it is harder to gain from economies of scale, when you have a fragmented market. They need to figure this out and start selling over the Internet.
It is no longer possible to sell whole albums with one hit song.
- sexypixel0
file sharing has introduced me to hundreds of great bands that i would have never heard about on the radio. The RIAA should embrase the new technology, and not try to arrest and fine the people who got them where they are. If it wasnt for the net we would stil be buying the crappy shit thats played on the radio that they tell us to go and by. its 2000 and 3 for fuck sake.
- unfittoprint0
'piracy' kills bad music.
- enobrev0
absolutely, and most definitely...
unfortunately, they're still within full legal right to do what they're threatening to do.