< Die RIAA, Die!
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- Danski0
woah woah woah, no paypal.
All you're doing then is removing one large corporate from the chain and putting another in it's place. The problems with the RIAA are just extensions of a larger root problem : corporations exerting more influence, legally and socially, than people themselves. If you want to get out of that system, then you have to do it all yourself. No middle men. No external services. Pure grassroots. Paypal has it's own murky past http://www.nopaypal.com as you can see.
- Danski0
I have a project that I'm working on, that can join with this. I'll include it in my emails around the place later on.
The code word is:
Affect Brain Compound.
- enobrev0
well, there's always a middle man, unless artists start building their own credit companies...
Just a mater of picking a more reasonable middle man.
(btw, regardless of negative testamony, i use paypal often without issue)
- ********0
hmm, will read the paypal deal later.
for me it's a really good alternative to larger evil: credit cards.
- ********0
Boo Hoo sexypixel say <-- ;)
- Redmond0
Fuck-off, they're the music mafia, "It's not our music but we want a cut! Give us our percentage!" Do artists actualy get anything back from this? The irony is that the people in the riaa are probably a bunch of free-loaders on top of this, who expect a copy of every record for free with free passes to concerts and gift bags and all the shiznit.
- unfittoprint0
exactly Remond. Free stage passes motherfuckers.
- Redmond0
"Maybe the RIAA should now go and sue microsoft for making software where you can browse open networks "
Ha! Best summarization of the ridicule in this situation.
- unknown0
good point redmond. it is that way. and for sure their sons are downloading loads of free songs from the competence at their big big houses...
the game goes on. thats our hiperdevelopedscientific society.
hipocrisy
- Blofeldt0
Well, everyone here's certainly hot and bothered about the RIAA.
I've read some quite disturbing and naive arguments about helping artists by not buying records, suggesting artists should go it alone.File sharing, no matter how you dress it up, is stealing. You are taking someone's hard work and enjoying it without paying the author any money. I don't agree that fining some kid is a good response, but stealing is wrong.
Now, before you all grab some pitch forks and torches and come and do me in, let me explain.
Imagine just organising one tour for 6 piece band from the UK to America for 1 month and the logistics involved. You have to buy plane tickets for the people and their equipment, accommodation for the group and manager, food, transport, support crews at each venue, promotion (that's you, graphic designers), visas, permits, petrol, and the band have to be paid for the time they're on tour. It soon adds up to a mammoth sum, which has to be paid out IN ADVANCE of receiving door receipts.Generally a band by themselves have neither the time to organise this (musicians have to practice) or the money to fund such an adventure. This is where your money goes, and this is why the RIAA are so active in trying to stop piracy. Large record companies stump up the cash for tours and records in advance. I do agree that they can be CUNTS but they are ultimately the ones collect the money that pays for musicians to play music for your enjoyment.
I've been a professional musician and encountered this idea that musicians don't need paying, like it spoils the purity of the artistic output all my life. As if they should only do it for the enjoyment, it takes them no time and is easy! It isn't like that. Try practising for 3 hours a day every day, for 15 years and see how you feel when you meet someone who's bragging about copying something you've played on and you can't afford a pint. If you want to be good enough to perform and bring enjoyment at the highest level you need to devote your whole life to it, not just evenings and weekends.
Musicians have to eat too, it takes many long years of practice, hard work and devotion to be good enough to make a living out of music. If you enjoy the results you should pay! You do not have a god given right to own and enjoy music. It is not air. Lots of people spend they're whole lives bringing it to you and they should be rewarded for their efforts.
- Blofeldt0
PS, there's also the matter of hypocrisy on this board regarding the morals of stealing fonts. When it relates to you stealing is a big deal.
- unknown0
i download free music. i download free fonts. there is no hypocrisy in my behaviour!
btw its proven than most of the people who download music pay a lot of music as well. personally i download music, but i buy a lot of music as well. but cds are really expensive. too much. id prefer to buy them all than to download.
how many money receive an artist for every cd? i think not really much.
- exador0
growing up, i bought assloads of records..
i was a totall vinyl junkie
still have most of em...moved on to tapes and cds after that..
still have most of them too..i still go out regularly and buy new cds...
such as Saybia's latest, and Matthew Good
but as for the majority of radio hits, and stuff from my past thats on vinyl?
i download that stuff..
plain and simple..remember that radio hit, by phil collins..'she's an easy lover?'
was a duet with some other dude..
great tune..classic 80sdownloaded that.
i mean..how else would you find some of this stuff...
if you follow an artist, Blofeld is right..pay up.
if it's the latest Destiny's Child or Beyonce song you just can't get out of your head, even though you know it's garbage..
download that shit..
- enobrev0
well said Blo, and jg, it's still a fucking cop out. If you steal a car because it costs 80 grand, you're still fucking stealing.
Anyways, I was trying to get a similar point accross earlier, but I'm not trying to judge those who steal, simply telling you to quit bullshitting and admit you're stealing music. Not borrowing, not testing, you're fucking stealing.
And now that you've admitted such a crime, you have to figure out how to change the way the world is so that you, a law abiding citizen (or close enough) don't have t o steal just to listen to music.
You figure out what it is that brought you to do such heinous things to so many people, and what it would take for you to stop. Then you support anyone or anything trying to make that happen.
And Blo, you're right, a good percentage of all those dollars goes to everyone involved in the process, BUT the artist SHOULD get the larget cut for one. and two, the label takes the largest cut, by a serious percentage.
I don't mean they get an equal cut with the artsist, 4 cents a cd or whatever, i mean the label is pulling in 3 dollars for every 4 cents the artist gets and this is AFTER everything has arleady been covered by the other 13.96 dollars in the cd price. (these numbers are not accurate)
so stop stealing music, and find ways to buy your music directly from the artist... and espeically support those who are trying to provide such means (and no, that does not include itunes)
- Blofeldt0
You get more money if someone buys a CD than if someone doesn't.
PS, I was not directly referring to you jg when I mentioned hypocritical behaviour.
- unfittoprint0
agreed, exador. If you follow or admire someone's work you really should support him (altough I have my doubts how much of my 'support' is going to him...). If it's Nancy Sinatra's "These Boots Are Made For Walkin' " instrumental version you fancy hearing, I say download that mutha.
- unknown0
hey enobrev, yes, I STEAL MUSIC. and the best of it: I really give a fuck. thats it!
- enobrev0
thanks jg.. that's all i ask :)
- Blofeldt0
Yeah, I think the music industry as a whole are missing a big chance here. There should be a central pool of free tracks of albums singles, whatever. I reckon that when you download music, if you really like it you will buy the album. You'll want to hear more.
The industry should be finding ways of incorporating this into their overall strategy and not burying their heads in the sand and hoping it will go away with a few lawsuits.
- unknown0
how is that different to nicking fonts...