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- soda_temp0
thanks.
I appreciate it.
- vespa0
Hey JagdPanther, is that why you don't have a site link? (Cos you don't like people promoting themselves here?)
- unknown0
JagdPanther you are not nice
there you go. I wasted my weekly post on you.
- soda_temp0
as far as I can see all thosethat did was put a lot of effort into setting up a show, invite a load of strangers from here, ask us what we thought and say thanks for those that came.
whats the problem with that?
Should be admired, not knocked by people hiding behind screen names.
- unknown0
i honestly couldnt make it, i got stuck at work... but ill make the effort to have a look next week
- unknown0
So now all the goodie-goodie people get together and agree on the ol´JagdPanther is a partypooper, huh?
That put´s me in a bad position, ´cause now I have to talk about me, what I just hammered the thosser guy for.
Well, when one has something to say, say it, but don´t keep going at it. As I recall, the thread on this exhibit was up, nobody noticed, so the guy kept putting it back up. Anoying that is.
I don´t know zilth about webworks; hence the missing website and the hidding behind screennames; well, don´t we all?
My name is Ivan, but a JagdPanther is a selfpropellad 88mm german gun from ww2, made to seek and destroy. Meaning it had no turret; couldn´t just swing around in any direction, but only faced forward.
I listen to good arguments, think them over and admit when I miss the point., you know that.
So get of my back with all the backpadding when I happen to dislike it; OK??!
- Danski0
Jagdpanther:
Point taken and understood, execution of point disapproved of.
If thosethat wants to invite people to his exhibit, that's his decision and not yours. It's not spam, it's certainly design-related, and it's definitely relevant information.
As a compromise, _we_ won't jump down _your_ throat when you want to show off some of your stuff.
- vespa0
Interesting.
I respect you because you think for yourself, even if you like to shit stir.
Do you really think the only way is forward? Doesn't that go against your martial arts training? Although I guess samurais believe in going straight ahead...
- unknown0
OK,OK,OK, jesuz, has all this warfare made youall hippies all of a sutton?
Thanx for your point Danski(theres a vodkabrand with that name y´know?)
But then you tilt too. If I ever accompliched(?) to post any of my work webwise, I WANT you fucker* to jump down my throat. It takes one to know one. When clients and moms sees our work, they clap in their hands or not; either way, they don´t know what´s has been going on whilst working. Fellow designers do; therefore you have to call out when shit is being made.
I don´t think the topic here; tosser´s work, is shit, though; just don´t like it.
And that´s that song I would say, say??
- Danski0
Fair point jagdpanther.
Sometimes attempting to get criticism can turn out a lot of half-bright apathetic "well done" posts and sometimes it can turn out a lot of unreasoned "that's shit, that is" responses wtih little or no constructive feedback in them. I do find that on NT a lot of responses are very helpful though. But that's only my own sphere of experience. Maybe there's a brighter land over the hill, where the forum is full of honey. Maybe...
- Danski0
Although on reading your post again, I realise that your feedback to thosethat is far less than constructive. That fact that you don't like it (which is fair enough) doesn't mean you can make a value judgement (such as "it's shit"). Consider than not everything that is not to your taste is shit.
- unknown0
............and vespa; it is more fun to stir some shit up, to put your point to an edge.
In martial arts one most allways be oriented in one direction, with all your might. To do that, in kiaikido, we try to step out of our self and into a surton place, a situation, so that the situation becomes focus, not just your own body/self/physical being.
When the situation changes, you change with it, and then you can change direction yourself. In other words;; there is nothing inbetween A and B, only A and then B. ZAP - ZAP; Head off!!
- unknown0
There have been plenty of dodgy sites put up for design crits (not including thosethat when I say this) - I think if you have nothing constructive to say, then don't say anything at all.
Destructive comments serve no purpose other than to prevent the designer from being the best they can.
- Nairn0
Thanks for the invite!
My apologies for completely not going thusfar - will try and pop by this weekend..
(ps.. not sure if I've mentioned this previously, but I really liked 'bb')
- vespa0
Yea I know it's fun to shit stir. It's my favourite tactic in everyday life but it's different in person. Seems it's too easy for people to misinterpret faceless posts, and I prefer to communicate clearly than just start an argument and be self satisfied in the knowlege that I can get a reaction.
I do think people put themselves on the line by actually making something. It's easy to slate, especially when you don't have anything up that others can look at and judge you by.
But I'm a slave to politeness that way, maybe that's an impediment.
- unknown0
Good point vespa
- unknown0
..............guess I´ll have to shut my mouth, don´t it??
You´re gonna miss it.
- Danski0
Unjustified crit: "it's shit"
Unjustified, reasoned crit : "it's good but i personally don't like it"
Justified, reasoned : "it's ok but I don't like the way that..."
Unjustified : "it's great"So I guess it works both ways. Saying "that's great" is just as useless as saying "it's bollocks". Neither is useful feedback without the all-important clarification.
- unknown0
Well, you can't always explain what's great about something.
- vespa0
I'm not telling you to shut it, you know that. Just explaining why I don't shit stir unless I know someone can handle it.
Not getting righteous or saying you should be like me either - each to their own.